All of you who CHOOSE not to vaccinate your children

[UniqueAndAmazing]

Do you realise that's the reason why there's now an epidemic of measles in Wales?

You know children with auto-immune problems, children with cancers, children with allergies that mean they can't be medicated, children who react badly to drugs?
You know them? They're suffering because of you not wanting to vaccinate your child.

You have no medical reason for not vaccinating, but plenty of reasons TO vaccinate.

You are causing a whole generation of children to be endangered from a preventable disease.

Measles can be fatal
(that means it can kill )

Gosh Bibs that's almost poetic

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3230379.stm

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3230379.stm

A couple of Bbc links on this.

I've always thought even if vaccinations may cause a risk to a child you have a moral and public duty to take that risk for the good of the community and had mine vaccinated mine with MMR etc etc.

It is in a sense part of the entitled, me me me culture that parents would take an individual decision which damages others.

Also if parents were against the MMR why did they not pay to have separate vaccinations of their children? Why just totally opt out?

I see it as a bit like the private schools argument Xenia.

So do I. If you can afford a private school place but instead foist your children on the state system then you are morally wrong.

Really, Xenia? And there was me thinking it was because you didn't want them mixing with the dodgy accented "dregs".

I actually do believe that vaccination is a social responsibility. I have a duty as a parent to protect my own children, and a duty as a member of society to do what I can to protect the more vulnerable - those with good medical reasons foe not being vaccinated, like the immuno- compromised, the unborn and yes, the children of parents who aren't socially responsible. It's not the children's fault, after all.

I can't believe that Andrew Wakefield's discredited research is still being spouted.

Here is an interesting article about how his research is not only discredited but also fraudulent and, he had already registered a patent for the single vaccine before he published his paper.

www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/antivaccine-hero-andrew-wakefield-scientific-fraud/

Whoops

Agree OP.

juggler... they might have left it to late to reassess uf their child is one of the many who are very sick with measles.

thebuskersdog
yes I can see that, ordinarily I say that if there is no reason to suggest that a child might get autism from the jab then you're daft not to vaccinate, but when you've had a child whose autism seemed to coincide, then what mother wouldn't think twice? the link being debunked afterwards would be enough to persuade the mum, but at the time of cansu's decision it hadn't been debunked.

amber
those have to be over repeated visits because tgey ate cumulative vaccinations (ie they need boosters later on to be fully efficacious)
the mmr also requires a booster later on.
the fact that you already have to have so many different boosters and shots and visits means that it's better not to have to add another couple.

the last set of jabs dd had were 3 different jabs done at the same time. and each of those jabs had more than one disease in it.

Well, all we can do Bibs, if we are pro-vaccination especially in current situation, is surely encourage as many as possible to come forward to have their children vaccinated. And let's hope that any children that do have measles will make a speedy and full recovery. I'm thinking of seeking vaccination for my own DC's ASAP - if anyone wants to give me some further encouragement and info about possibilities that could be helpful. For example could they have the vaccination tomorrow at GP's before they go back to school on Tuesday and Wednesday ?

Em. The Italian case was not the judges decision.

He made the decision he had to make legally based upon the evidence of three eminent doctors.

It is also not the only case, and it happened after the Wakefield evidence was discredited.

Everyone makes their own decision, the best one they can.

Unique. I just can't accept that as a good reason not to have singles available for M M and R vaccines.

I think withdrawing them as an option was a big mistake and those that made that decision and those who continue to stop the issuing of single vaccines are to blame for the outbreak in wales.

Not worried parents.

yes I agree.
but I do think it's a good reason along with other reasons, just not as a sole reason (which it isn't)

"It is also not the only case, and it happened after the Wakefield evidence was discredited."

Yes- that's why it is being appealed. Because he based his decision on discredited evidence.

Sigh.

I think it's pretty clear now that most parents have no good reason to be worried now that Wakefield has been discredited. He has even been struck off for the unethical way he conducted his research. The NHS has limited resources. I am guessing that the single vaccines take up more of them even if the extra resource is just repeat visits to the nurse.

It may sound harsh but in circumstances where there is no credible evidence to support the theory that MMR poses an unacceptable risk (of course all vaccines carry some risk, single or otherwise), I would rather see the money spent where it is actually needed, rather than on single vaccines.

I don't think there is any way we can blame the state removing single vaccines for this epidemic. No-one actually likes vaccinating their children (as parents we are pre-programmed to worry, rationally or otherwise) but most of us do it (thankfully for those that dont). Those that refuse the offer of MMR without any higher level of risk than the normal population are to blame for this epidemic. They have gambled that the fact that the rest of us are prepared to vaccinate (despite as i have said, not enjoying doing so) will protect their children. In Swansea, we see the result of that gamble.

As regards the Italian judge, I know nothing about him or her but judges can and do often make mistakes. I don't think the views of one presumably non medically qualified judge in Italy prove anything.

Perhaps those wanting the jab now should be paying the costs of all the local measles cases to the NHS caused by their selfish decisions and be made to pay for private jabs now>?

(I paid about £400 in the summer to get my children the BCG)

No, they should be encouraged in every possible way to come forward and have their children immunised, if that is now their decision and choice.
(Not punished for their earlier very understandable concerns)

That's a twattish thing to say Xenia

Surely it's the children aged 18 to, I dunno, 10 ish that where mostly un vaccinated due to the autism link? My dd is 14 and the furore was ongoing then.

Didn't it all settle down within the last 5 to 10 yrs?

(My dd had singles as my dn had the mmr and then was intentionally exposed to chicken pox within the week. Her body couldn't cope and the cp almost killed her and left her severely brain damaged. Hence our concerns that too many diseases in one go could be bad. It wasn't all about the autism link)