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Just re-read Ballet Shoes as an adult

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heron98 · 03/11/2016 12:29

Someone answer me this - if they are so poor they can't even afford new clothes, why don't they get rid of the flipping cook and the maid? Why doesn't Garnie get a job instead of staying up all night stressing about money?

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Rachel0Greep · 04/11/2016 15:28

Oh the swirling, that brings me back. I never quite knew what it meant. Smile

Does anyone know if it is possible to buy the other books that go with A Vicarage Family? (Away from the Vicarage and Beyond The Vicarage). I would love to read them, but cannot find them anywhere. In saying that, it's a while since I searched but this thread reminded me again. I did find one ages ago but it was very expensive.

2kids2dogsnosense · 04/11/2016 15:41

You're right Rainy

I've just flicked through - I was thinking of the film version which had a little black girl. In the book her friend was just another orphan - but she still ended up as the heroine's dogsbody.

My daughter asked me years ago when I read it to her "But why doesn't he adopt her, too? They could be sisters."

Not in that world, my darling . . . Not in that world.

CMOTDibbler · 04/11/2016 15:46

There's quite a lot of copies of them on Abebooks, but run at £15-£20. The Angela Bull biography is worth a read too.

Orlanda, that's really interesting - she doesn't seem to be well known these days, but the books are well written. Nana got sent a signed copy of all the books for her children, most of which I got

MisguidedAngel · 04/11/2016 15:49

I started reading this thread a couple of hours ago - clicked on the link to a youtube film of Ballet Shoes, then found this one

which is a hundred times better, Emilia Fox as Garnie, Victoria Wood as Nana, Richard Griffiths as Gum. What a lovely waste of time, thanks Mumsnet. (actually, since it had Spanish subtitles and I'm trying to learn Spanish, I could even justify it!)

I also wanted to add that I recently reread White Boots and was very disappointed. Ballet Shoes was always my favourite.

2kids2dogsnosense · 04/11/2016 15:50

You are right, ladies - there was no black character in the book - my mind's eye was on the film version. However as my daughter said when I read the book to her a quarter of a century ago, "Why didn't he adopt them both. They could be sisters" (Poor little soul - she only had a brother; a sister was a dream beyond delight . . . )

2kids2dogsnosense · 04/11/2016 15:52

Can I apologise, people? Something weird is happening with my posts. They are duplicating, and in the case of the last one, disappeared with no sign, so I re-posted (obviously my opinion is so important that you all need the benefit . . .Grin ) and suddenly there were TWO similar posts.

Mea culpa.

Rachel0Greep · 04/11/2016 16:07

Thanks CMOT.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 04/11/2016 16:17

Becky is black in the film I guess because they've moved the action to America so the black maid character 'works' better.

There is the Indian servant of the rich gent, though. And yes, I always thought it was crap how Becky's 'happy ending' was to come and be a maid in slightly nicer conditions!

BroomstickOfLove · 04/11/2016 16:26

Oh, I loved the Mantlemass books, especially the one about the woman blacksmith. The Iron Rose? The Iron Lily?

ImNotWhoYouThinkIam · 04/11/2016 16:56

Ballet Shoes is my absolute all time favourite book. I've read 3 copies sof many times they fell apart. I don't currently own a copy because I can't find one I love. Actually I lie. I do have one but it's not 'right'
My bf recently traced down a dvd of the original 1975 movie for me. I think he paid more for it than I've ever paid for a dvd Grin I always wanted to be Posy but realised once I got older that she was a spoiled Brat and Petrova is actually the only nice sister.

I love all NS books. I have my mums copies of the Gemma and Sisters books and always wanted to be Lydie (was that the dancing one?) I even refused to ride my bike for a while after she was told it was bad for dancers!

Bf has 'vetoed ' posy as a possible name for our hypothetical daughter. Maybe I can persuade him Lydie is nice.

Actually surely her name was Lydia?

HubbleBubbles · 04/11/2016 17:07

Need to come back to this later to watch the film links - that's my Friday night sorted Grin My top NS novels in order Ballet Shoes, The Painted Garden, White Boots.
What an interesting thread - most of my favourite novels & indeed what I mainly read are set between war & feature good dose of gentile poverty. I love that post (with we could "like " on here as I can never remember which poster) about the servants being equivalent to today's domestic appliances- i.e. We still take advantage of cheap labour and not owning a washing machine is pretty unusual for the middle classes today, even if we're "struggling "

BratFarrarsPony · 04/11/2016 17:09

" good dose of gentile poverty. "

sorry I am not normally a pedant but you do mean "genteel" here.

Sadik · 04/11/2016 17:18

"GUM bought the house in Sylvia's name - that's why she could plan to sell it at the end of the book when they were getting poorer."

I actually had this conversation with dd a while ago. She pointed out (and I checked and it is indeed true) that Sylvia didn't know that the house was in her name - she only discovered it when things got really desperate and she went to a lawyer to try to figure out what she could do.

In this situation - having posession of a very large house in a desirable area that you can't sell - taking in boarders is actually quite a sensible way of making a living, and the cook / maid can be seen as necessary employees for the business (the lodgers are, I'm pretty certain, provided with food).

I think Sylvia's main failing was that she didn't make it pay - the impression I get (admittedly garnered from other novels) is that at that point in history plenty of women made an acceptable if scanty living from running a boarding house. But they were probably less genteel and less nice to their lodgers!

CMOTDibbler · 04/11/2016 17:21

Broomstick - its the Iron Lily

Housewife2010 · 04/11/2016 17:21

I've been searching and all I've found are The Painted Garden and White Boots. I know my daughter has Apple Bough in her room which I never read. No Ballet Shoes or Gemma books unfortunately. Our books are still in a mess after moving and are stacked horizontally and two deep on the bookshelves so there could be more treasures. I found masses of my beloved Lorna Hill though. Anyone else like those? I seem to have 3 copies of No Castanets at the Wells for some reason. I really want to find Ballet Shoes now. I remember what seemed like pages and pages of The Bluebird play in Ballet Shoes - then later saw Patsy Kensit and Elizabeth Taylor in the film of it. Anyone else remember the black plastic dresses with collars which Gemma & Sisters wore?

IneedAdinosaurNickname · 04/11/2016 17:29

Housewife yes! For a tap dance iirc?
I own a very old very battered copy of The Bluebird purely because it was in Ballet Shoes. I may have been slightly obsessed!

I also know random half bits of speeches from A midsummer Nights Dream thanks to the 1975 TV version.

"Thou speakst aright. I am that merry wanderer of the night I jest to Oberon and..."

BroomstickOfLove · 04/11/2016 17:30

Loved the Sadlers Wells books, although the later ones are ridiculous. I love the descriptions of hard work, sore feet, not enough money and the combination of deadly rivalry and incredible support and friendship among the dancers.

Housewife2010 · 04/11/2016 17:37

Broomstick
The later Sadlers Wells books were terrible. Foir me the first 4 are the best, the first two especially. I love it when Sebastian & Veronica fall in love. K M Peyton's Flambards books are also lifelong favourites too.

NeonPinkNails · 04/11/2016 17:50

To the poster who complained about spoilers a few pages back - if you love the book (so have presumably read it) how can anything said here be a spoiler?!

Going back to what a brat Posy was, it seems that's often the case with talented dancers in NS - it's a long time since I've read Ballet Shoes for Anna but I think she was pretty me me me and Lydia in the Gemma books is awful!

Brilliant books though, lots of similar stuff running through them but I love how each one is individual and really sums up the time and place it's set in e.g. Ballet Shoes 1920s London, Gemma etc 50s/60s suburbia, The Painted Garden 40s (?) LA.

There was another good one that I remember as being a bit different - not about stagey/talented kids. Was it called The Growing Summer? Where they're sent to stay with their odd Aunt Dymphna or something? Off to Google... :)

Elllicam · 04/11/2016 17:53

Orlanda I love The Making of a Marchioness :) currently reading it. I loved Gemma books too and White Boots (am I imagining it or did they change the name to Skating Shoes?). I also liked a lot of NS's adult romances, written as Susan Scarlett. They have the same feel as her children's books, especially Poppies for England, Murder while you Work and Clothes Pegs. I haven't liked her other adult books apart from the Whicharts, they are too dark for me.

HubbleBubbles · 04/11/2016 17:53

Jeeez Blush Thanks Brat I definitely did mean genteel !

Elllicam · 04/11/2016 17:54

Oh I liked the Growing Summer too, great descriptions of food if always made me starving.

Elllicam · 04/11/2016 17:54

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OrlandaFuriosa · 04/11/2016 18:00

Ooh Ellicam, never met anyone else who has, though the Mitfords went on about rubies the size of a trouser button.. have you read The Shuttle?

Yes, it is the growing summer, and I think a v interesting one. Lots if growing up occurring.

I too like the Flambards stories. But golly, the level if brutality thatvwas the norm..

SorrelForbes · 04/11/2016 18:02

Yep, The Growing Summer.

I too love the Wells books but Ballet Shoes will always be my absolute favourite. I recently attended a skills to foster course and had to take along a precious object. I took my 1950s copy of Ballet Shoes!