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Just re-read Ballet Shoes as an adult

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heron98 · 03/11/2016 12:29

Someone answer me this - if they are so poor they can't even afford new clothes, why don't they get rid of the flipping cook and the maid? Why doesn't Garnie get a job instead of staying up all night stressing about money?

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MaudlinNamechange · 04/11/2016 14:17

OMG what books were the "swirling" in? I remember that! But I don't remember who did it.

Which book had the girl who wanted to play the piano and was a bit in love with her piano teacher? who was teaching her for free?

ZoeTurtle · 04/11/2016 14:20

Swirling was in the Gemma books.

They don't go on TOTP but 'Teen Trend' (or something cringey like that) where there's a panel of teens who vote on how good a song is... or something.

I might be re-reading these tonight.

woodhill · 04/11/2016 14:30

I vaguely remember Thursday's child. Is that the one where the girl goes into service and her younger siblings live on a barge and have to lie on a plank to get the barge under the bridge. Funnily enough was thinking about it the other day.

Sarah Walters book about the unwanted/paying guests? has great detail about the sheer hard work of running a house.

SorrelForbes · 04/11/2016 14:35

woodhill Yes, that's Thursday's Child. Margaret Thursday is an orphan who gets sent to an orphanage and meets a family of a girl and two boys. The girl (Lavinia?) goes into service and Margaret escapes with the boys.

ZoeTurtle · 04/11/2016 14:41

SorrelForbes Is your name from a NS book? I remember a Sorrel, in a circus one?

BratFarrarsPony · 04/11/2016 14:51

I don't want to sound horrible but obviously Garnie and the girls in Ballet Shoes were not 'upper class' were they? or they wouldn't have had such difficulties......
It was normal to have a maid/cook/'cook general' between the wars - read Monica Dickens 'One Pair of Hands'.

woodhill · 04/11/2016 14:52

Thanks sorrel it was one of those BBC children's program in the 70s on a Sunday afternoon if I remember.

SorrelForbes · 04/11/2016 14:53

It's from Curtain Up (Theatre Shoes in the US)

SorrelForbes · 04/11/2016 14:54

I think you buy a German version on Amazon and the audio is in English (apparently)

AmeliaPeabody · 04/11/2016 14:56

No, they weren't upper class, not that we were made aware. Upper class would have been aristocracy and the like. They were middle class.

2kids2dogsnosense · 04/11/2016 15:01

Same could be applied to 'White Boots' or even 'A Little Princess'

Even as a child I can remember reading "A little Princess" and being shocked that she took on the little black girl - her FRIEND - as a servant when her wealthy guardian turned up!

My daughter picked up on it, too.

(Still a good story, though - but as you say, a product of its age; as are we all)

woodhill · 04/11/2016 15:01

Just watched 5 mins on You Tube - Angela Thorne and Tracey from Eastenders.

Chottie · 04/11/2016 15:03

It was quite normal to have help in the house, my paternal grandmother employed a woman called Mrs Smith to do the 'rough' as my GM called it. This included scrubbing out the scullery, polishing the brass on the front door and door step and dismantling and cleaning the gas cooker with washing soda. This was in the late 1940s. / early 1950s. My grandparents were middle class.

rainyinnovember · 04/11/2016 15:05

In A Little Princess there aren't any black characters to my recollection anyway, and I re read it recently-ish.

Backingvocals · 04/11/2016 15:10

Was she black in the book? I don't remember that. I just remember that she was Becky and I imagined her to be a typical Victorian London servant girl (ie, white) but maybe I overlooked what it says in the text? I know in one of the films Becky was a black girl but I thought that was the film transposing the story to the US.

Anyway, YY to your main point which was that she got to keep her servant !

CMOTDibbler · 04/11/2016 15:11

My grandmother was in service in the 1930's to a not particularly well off family. Her father was a school caretaker, and the girls were expected to go and be fed and housed by someone else (the pay wasn't much at all) until they found a husband to feed and house them instead. The daughter of the household became a writer and fictionalised their relationship in this book - I have a letter from her talking about what she'd done with the story

ZoeTurtle · 04/11/2016 15:11

Yeah I thought Becky was white, but I have seen the film/adaptation where she was black.

BratFarrarsPony · 04/11/2016 15:12

Yes my granny had a maid who lived in a room off the kitchen, and her husband was just a bank teller.

2kids2dogsnosense · 04/11/2016 15:15

It always struck me that he waged Pauline earns are HUGE. £5 a week for playing Alice in the 20s? My dad was earning £10 a week in the early 60s so £5 for a twelve year old seems colossal

That never struck me, but you're right! My dad was earning about £10/wk in the 60's, too, and he worked all sorts of God-awful hours, as well .

Bluepowder · 04/11/2016 15:17

A Little Princess is interesting as the ending doesn't allow Becky - who has humble origins - to be a Princess too. There is only room for one Princess - and her servant. Very Victorian.

OrlandaFuriosa · 04/11/2016 15:18

One if the best descriptions of the plight of the middle class woman is in hodgson- Burnett 's Emily Fox Seton and The Making of a marchioness, published about 1901, where it is clear that for a not v bright uneducated poor middle class girl the chances of marriage were slight and she could therefore become a companion, lose status and become a shop girl or servant, or starve. And the long term prospects were the workhouse or starve. It's explicit in the sequel.

It's a bit earlier and of course WW1 had in theory opened up more careers for women, but in practice employers generally wanted to employ men in part because they recognised that the men would often need to support a family, whereas they didn't assume the woman would be a sole breadwinner.

I recall my mother explaining this to me; her father ran a business, was not at all misogynistic, had a social conscience. I think he may have had about one female clerk who was unmarried.

Given Garnie's abilities, she actually does the right thing with her capital. After all , the Wall Street Crash had happened so investing house sale proceeds could have been disastrous. We are also told about the crash in rubber, Mr Simpson loses his job. Garnie's just not very good at managing..Petrova would have been better.

But I always think it's a shame they didn't put Petrova in for a scholarship.

2kids2dogsnosense · 04/11/2016 15:20

It always struck me that he waged Pauline earns are HUGE. £5 a week for playing Alice in the 20s? My dad was earning £10 a week in the early 60s so £5 for a twelve year old seems colossal

That never struck me, but you're right! My dad was earning about £10/wk in the 60's, too, and he worked all sorts of God-awful hours, as well .

OrlandaFuriosa · 04/11/2016 15:21

CMOT, a friend was Willard's lit agent. I loved the mantle mass books..will go and look up the one you highlighted.

OrlandaFuriosa · 04/11/2016 15:23

In one if the NS stories, the nanny or governess is told by her father always to have her feet under someone else's table, i.e. Take living in positions. Can't recall which one, feel it might be White Boots..

Bluepowder · 04/11/2016 15:24

I think it was. The governess in White Boots is lovely, quoting Shakespeare.