would you be surprised if youre nanny left after ..

[crispycake]

being told that she was no longer needed in the mornings due to the children going to school?

Surely you have to expect it as you are cutting her hours down by nearly half

Wouldn't be surprised at all.

my thoughts exactly

Depends if I was still going to pay her the same money.

If I was cutting her pay accordingly, I wouldn't expect to see her for dust.

no pay will be cut too, 6hrs pay insted of 11hrs is a big difference to the wages at the end of week

Dropping the nannies salary by 45%+ is likely to see the nanny leave in my view. Most people can't take that much of a pay cut.

What if the child is sick, who looks after the child who doesn't go to school? If you are expecting your nanny to be around to help with this (and holidays etc.), then it might be worthwhile to keep her on a retainer amount to make it more worthwhile for her to stay with you.... then pay her more if she actually does work on those days. Just a thought.

Is a difficult one, but nannies cannot just take such a huge pay cut... I doubt most people can...?

Alternatively, get a new nanny who is only looking for afternoon work (but then you do need to make arrangements for sick days/school holidays etc.). Good luck!

what about if the children were off school sick?
what about mornings in the school holidays?
what about if your sick and cant do the school run?

I am sure there are other instances when a nanny is still needed even though kids at school!
Could she not complete nursery duties/shopping/planning trips/organise playdates etc in this time, thus not having to give her a pay cut?

Just some thoughts for you!
x

I could be wrong but I think crispycakes is the nanny rather than the employers?

It always amazes me how employers of nannys/nannies? (not all just the ignorant ones) think that the nanny will work for less money for various reasons. It is a job. They are not my children. Why should the nanny stay for less money.
A banker would quit, a bus driver would quit so why should the nanny not quit?

The R question is crossing my mind.

Is the full-time role going totally, to be replaced by an afternoons only one?

sorry i didnt make myself clear yesterday. yes i am the nanny and my hours are being reduced. The mornings i am no longer needed so yes the full time position is being changed to a part time one.
Im not too sure if the parents have thought about what they would do if the children are sick etc. I think they are just thinking about the school fees as they are expensive and i think keeping me for the mornings would be too much of a expense.

FRAKKIT - by R word do you mean redundancy??
If so how would i go about mentioning to my boss!

I do mean redundancy and I think you'd need to do some research, then call a meeting with your bosses and say you understand they're making your role redundant, you're not massively enthusiastic about the revised job although you will of course take time to consider it and propose another meeting. Start writing things down too - dates of who said what and when, and any agreements reached however vague.

But I'm not sure whether it's a significant enough change IYSWIM or whether FT to PT has different rules. I know FT nannies have got redundancy when going after school before though.

Redundancy only an issue though if you are entitled to redundancy pay - so if you've been in the job at least 2 years. Otherwise they just give notice under the contract terms if you decide not to take the alternative position being offered.

FWIW,

A friend of mine pays her (not live in)nanny 23k a year (gross), both kids are at school during day so she has lots of time off, but she does take them in hols, if sick etc.

Does that help as a reference?

yes you are being made redundant - have you been there over 2 years

many parents begrudge paying a nanny to do nothing while children are at school and many ft jobs change to pt/after school only, and yes no one can afford a huge paycut

and i understand that paying for childcare is a huge chunk of am mb/db salary and they do try to lessen costs but often they forget/dont reliese/dont think what will happen if child is ill/falls over/needs picking up early from school as well as holidays etc

its a tough decision either way

Not surprised at all as ours just has

However, my advice would be to speak to them about it before you accept another job, not necessarily before you start looking though Your employers might want to keep you once faced with the prospect of losing you altogether, and be prepared to negotiate. We certainly would have, if given the choice, but our nanny had already accepted a new job. Guess it depends if you want to stay with them or not.

I work from home so would have covered any mornings off school due to illness myself. We also offered to pay her for the extra hours during holidays if she wanted them, but said that was entirely her decision.

As it is she's going to a 4 day a week job - we were offering her two half days, on a higher hourly rate of pay, thinking she would easily find a 3 day a week job and still have the same amount of one on one with her own child. Turns out we were v mistaken, but might have sorted it all out had she spoken to us about it

jellyhead sorry you lost your nanny, tho i understand why your nanny left, it is sometimes hard trying to find a 3 day job to fit in with current days, plus have hassle of holidays/tax codes/pleasing 4 parents etc compared to working for one family

hope you manage to replce her soon

Thanks Blondes.

I won't bore you with all the details but most of those hassles are things she's dealt with easily in the past, plus we've always seen her right financially when other jobs fitting round us haven't worked out.

She's been with us many years, so I just would have preferred her to speak to us about it - even if the outcome ended up being the same. I guess I thought we had a better relationship than it turns out we did, and my feeling of loyalty towards her wasn't reciprocated.

On the positive side I've already sorted another nanny who will be doing completely different hours than we offered our soon to be ex. I'm nothing if not flexible!

Good luck crispycake whatever you decide to do.

plus if she has been with you for many years but left of her own accord then you dont pay any redundancy

blonde likes to see the cup half full

I spoke to mum about it shes going to help me look for a am job [hmmm] which is very kind but i cant see anyone wanting me from say 9 till 11.30.
At least i spoke to her about it properly which is more than i got when i was told over the kids breakfasts
'Oh i wont be needing you in the morns from sept!'

thanks for all your responses tho