baths

[cupcakeandcoffee]

Hello all,

In this hot and sticky weather, I find my little ones get covered in suncream and then sand.

Whats the view on putting a 2yr old boy and a 2yr old girl in the bath together to clean them up before a nap?

Would Ofsted go crazy?

The mum says she would be fine with it.

I guess, if needed I could leave their nappies on.(for privacy!!)

Do they need to be seperate? in swimwear?
Isn't it just like a paddling pool?

What do you think?

you would need written permission and also I would think that seperate baths would be in order if not siblings

HTH

Why not put some bubble bath in a paddling pool in the garden, then you can make a game of it?

good idea UPOW

No I wouldn't do it. Do UPOW suggestion and hose down outside.

Jesus what is the world coming to? I've had all of my mindees in the paddling pool together (with swim nappies) or running around starkers, none of them have reached the age of 2 yet. What is the reason behind this not being allowed?

The way I would look at it is this, you need to protect the mindees privacy, therefore starkers is out. You will also need to do Risk assessment and get parental consent. It seems like a lot of hassle when you could fill a paddling pool and clean them up that way instead.

Also from a parents pov I would not be impressed if my DD shared a bath with anyone, wouldn't even do for siblings / cousins etc.

Really? Serious question. 2 year olds have privacy? Ignoring the PC'ness of OFsted etc but you can't even bathe two small children together? Kind of sad that it has come to this.

Atwork - is it ok to have two at a time in a paddling pool?

Lollipop

Don't see why not, I've been known to put me feet in too I'm a hyper rulie person, I reckon if I need to think about it or query it then I find another option.

I agree it's pants but there you go.

Louis yep it comes under human rights, we can't even look for nits anymore.

Atwork - Phew, because I have some wicked pictures of three under 2's in the paddling pool and I'd hate to have to destroy such great evidence of my wrong-doings!

it does not come under human rights at all. That's just ridiculous. as soon as a 2 year old complains to me about lack of privacy when I'm wiping his backside then I'll have a rethink.

I have a mindee who is almost 2 who says to the other little ones don't look and means it, when they get their nappy changed. So yes they have a human right to protect their privacy even at 2.

Also you have to think about protecting your self as the CM, limit opportunities for allegations to be made

Ignoring all the allegations etc (and how is bathing one different to bathing two. If you are going to abuse a child this age how would having a 2nd one there make a difference) I find it really sad that it has come to this when two small children can't even bathe together.
I remember being at day care and my sister in the bath with at least 3 other kids.

article 16 of the UNCRC staes very clearly that children have the right to privacy and we (CMs) must adhere to this

well then just ask the children and they can decide. What is privacy anyway? it all seems relative/cultural/individual preference e.g. maybe children don't want watching intently all the time. Many peoples' best childhood playspaces seem to be where when they weren't being supervised by adults.

Gosh a bath on a hit days is great for little ones...I too find it very sad.

Well I've had 2 mindees stay overnight and share a bath with my ds2 because THE PARENT ASKED ME IF THAT WOULD BE OK AS THEIR CHILD WOULD LOVE IT. Honestly, the world has gone mad, it really has!! If the child didn't want to then of course I wouldn't but they get VERY excited about this rare treat, I'm not going to turn round and try and explain that I won't in case XYZ. If the mindee wants it and the parents are fine then that's all I care about. Getting in writing is definitely a good idea but I wouldn't say it's a no no AT ALL as long as ALL PARTIES are fine with this! Bloomin heck, I used to often give my ds1 (when when HE was 2) and same aged mindee a bath after playing the in the sand and the parents were extremely grateful plus the kids had fun.

I agree (having been attacked with malicious complaints) about covering yourself so you can't get in trouble but if it's agreed by parents in writing, go for it

Phew!!

Thanks for all the advice.

It really is sad when we have to think so carefully over such an innocent action.

But as we do have to, I think I will follow UPOW's advice and fill the paddling pool!

Shame though.

.. meant bath on hot days!

i plonked 3 of my children in a bath years ago (DS and two minded little ones) because they were covered in paint. the parents did not mind at all, but DH suggested that it was Not a Good Idea.

It really is taking things a bit too far, sadly.

A bit iykwim about the 2 yr old saying 'dont look',
Dont 'look' at what for goodness sake?
Poor little one,
The world has gone mad.

I think this says everything about the ridiculous society we live in..

A 2 year old having a right to privacy seems like society trying to introduce rules of conformity at an age where kids should be happy to be carefree and not bothering about such things.

We are all born in just our birthday suits and if kids are allowed to do what they want they are quite comfortable tearing around with each other without clothes until well beyond 2 years old. My three would regularly go skinny dipping in the river on summer afternoons when we came across an inviting spot - right up to when DD was 9 or 10 years old.

On a slightly related subject..
Coming home this morning I heard a news item about pregnant Mums being given breath tests to detect if they had been smoking - the ones who fail will then be offered hep and advice to quit. The RCN has apparently given a statement saying they disapproved ofthe scheme because it might lead to expectant Mums being given a sense of guilt...........!!!

Well isn't that the point..!!!?
Too right they shoud feel guilty..

I believe an unborn child has much more of a human right of not being exposed to poisonous toxins like carbon monoxide.

When my midwife first asked me if I smoked, I truthfully said no.
As an adult, I'd be very insulted to basically be told I don't believe you, we're going to CO test you anyway.