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If you're a childminder, what are you views on delivering the EYFS and how do you do it?

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phoenixflower · 04/05/2010 16:38

Hi all!

I am writing an assignment about types of Early Years care and would love to know your views on being a childminder, delivering the EYFS and how you do it! Anything I use in my assignment will be anonymous!

Thanks in advance for any help

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BoysAreLikeDogs · 04/05/2010 16:44

The EYFS has professionalised the service that CMs offer, meaning that we are ranked as equal to Nursery and preschools

hurrah

The paperwork involved was a tremendous turnoff for a lot of CMs, and if you search on here you can find threads with figures relating to the decline in numbers of registered CMs since Sept 2008

I use the National Standards, and related guidance to deliver the EYFS, supported by the local Early Years Team from my LA as well as NCMA ( and here lol)

Becuase there are very few standardised forms (the only one I can think of is the SEF from Ofsted) the way we operate day to day is unique to each CM

HTH

moogster1a · 04/05/2010 17:22

I disagree that it has professionalised cm's.
Fir the vast majority that I know, it merely involves writing a large amount of unnecessary paperwork often done retrospectively, desperately trying to link things like how a 5 month old chewing on a crayon shows their literacy learning, and how to plan the next step for this!
Pointless in my opinion. Parents want us to give a home from home environment for their lo's, not be planning and linking etc. to 6 areas of learning.

BoysAreLikeDogs · 04/05/2010 17:34

moogster I have often wondered whether there is a need for a kind of 2-tier system, for those that want to offer/parents that would like more homely care as opposed to the more formal approach under EYFS

All food for thought, eh

FrazzleRock · 04/05/2010 19:20

Hate it, hate it, hate it.

I do as little as possible tbh.

Take photos, print up very small onto paper (about 6 pics per A4), put a little caption underneath each pic.

Daily diaries - Each outcome has a highlighted colour (eg, Creative Development=Yellow, Physical Development=Blue)
For nearly every statement I make in the diaries put a little line next to in the corresponding colour.

That's it.
I don't care if I get a satisfactory again, it's not stopped me getting clients!

Euro · 04/05/2010 19:23

My views are that the EYFS is a very helpful tool.
I think people get stressed because they either haven't read it properly and/or don't yet have a good working knowledge of it.

There isn't anything that says you have to 'link' obs to the EYFS. It does state that obs have to match the expectations of the EYFS. I interpret that as meaning that obs should be specific to each child and echo the development matters statements rather than be vague eg rather than just saying or writing that 'x enjoyed playing with bricks today' or that 'x ate a good dinner of xyz' you could add that x sorted bricks into colours, counted bricks, stacked bricks etc etc and that 'x used a sppon independently and/or used a knife to chop a banana and/or made a choice to select a banana etc etc

I write my daily obs as a narrative which gets emailled to parents along with photos before it even hits my file.

I see no need to add CD, PSED, PD etc to everyting. That method seems pointless to me as almost every ob you make can be linked to all areas in some way or another.

ayla99 · 04/05/2010 19:36

Prior to EYFS, we already had a 2-tier system where childminders could (and still can) become accredited to provide early years education and those who didn't want to could remain an ordinary Registered Childminder. It would be useful to know the proportion of childminders who CHOSE to provide education prior to the introduction of EYFS. Personally, I know of nobody locally who was accredited prior to EYFS and last week is the first time any parent has asked if I will consider applying. This is clear evidence to me that, in my area at least, a formal education is not generally considered appropriate in a childminding setting. If it was, surely the majority of childminders would have been accredited already?

I like EYFS and I appreciate the training and information that has been made available to me since EYFS was introduced. I just think it should be guidance like Birth to Three was, and not compulsory for childminders, so that we can use it in a way that suits the individual nature of each childcare arrangement. I don't like the way people perceive it to be a list of "targets" which implies children are failing if they don't meet them. They're not failures, of course! I preferred the old terminology of "stepping stones" which fits well with the idea that the carer's role is that of guidance and support; it shouldn't involve the pressure or stress that people now associate with EYFS.

IMO EYFS discourages potential childminders from applying to be registered and encourages parents to seek non-regulated care as this is perceived to be the only way they can get a relaxed, informal home-from-home setting - which is what most parents seek from childminders. I don't know if unregulated care is on the increase, or if I'm just more aware of it these days.

The way I follow EYFS, is to hang on tightly to the words of one inspector "keep it simple". Observations are just photos & short sentences scribbled now and again in an obs book I keep for each child. Also each child has their own diary as soon as they can hold a pencil, in which we stick photos and drawings and if able, they write their own stories, recipes & thoughts etc whatever they want. Which effectively means they write their own obs The obs books notes links to the EYFS Areas of Learning.

From time to time, I go through the obs books and use this to make a BRIEF summary of each child's interests/achievements and list of next steps/activity plans. This sheet is shared with parents & other settings, with parent permission. I talk regularly with other settings, preschool & school are very co-operative and friendly here.

The activity plans go in the diary and I try to note obs on these when they take place.

HTH

HSMM · 04/05/2010 20:23

Meeting EYFS is easy. We have always done it. Giving the children plenty of opportunities to learn through play. Recording it to prove to Ofsted that we do it is a whole other board game. Everyone does it differently, I do observations and summative assessments. I also use lots of photos. I used to just email these to parents, but now I use loads of ink in my printer to put them into the children's files.

Euro · 04/05/2010 21:08

HSMM I am the opposite. I used to print out photos to give to parents but now just email them so that the people who really matter get to see them first and share them/make their own albums at their own expense/do what they want with them.
I do still print out small copies of a selection of the very best photos i.e. the ones that illustrate activites we have been doing and laminate them so that the children have a selection to play with/remember/talk about/ show to Ofsted inspector
I just print out the disguised development matters type statements descriptive words that I have written to go with the parent's emailed photos and add them to each child's file.

BoysAreLikeDogs · 04/05/2010 21:20

heh heh heh

see what I mean about each CM having a unique system of operating

pippin26 · 04/05/2010 23:13

I think EYFS has put minders on a professional level with other childcare providers. Its just taking time for some minders to actually believe this themselves.
EYFS has 'levelled the playing field' imo, it is also a very useful tool in providing clear guidance in edu-care and also in providers working together.

I like eyfs and the training we recieved in our area was excellent. The support on offer is there for the taking as well and there is tons of help and support all over the internet. I think its a case of finding what works for you.

what I do think still is a problem, it Ofsted's intrepretation of things and their apparent lack of consistency (and often competency) and their changing of the goal posts.

thebody · 05/05/2010 18:16

totally agree with that Pippin26, every cm does it differently because there seems to be such a difference in gradings between different Ofsted inspectors.. its much too arbitary and as such you are never very sure if you are 'getting it right'

To answer your questions though.. I love childminding, its a fun day and I love running my own business.

I just keep it simple with daily diaries for parents, lots of photos of activities and 3 monthly obs and assessments to check progress and celebrate where a child is at any one time.

I think its perfectly possible to deliver EYFS in a nice homly environment...

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