question about nanny sharing

[veyso]

I realise this is probably a very dim question, but if in a nanny-sharing arrangement you take the role of employer, is it usual to share the costs of NI/tax and other things like payroll admin/Ofsted registration with the other "sharers"?
If so, how is this practically done? thanks for any advice.

It's a joint employment with two employers so each does their own payroll, has their share of the tax allowance and pays employers ni. Well that's how we did it. It means that you pay less ni overall IIRC.

thanks - the nanny we are interested in seems to be talking about having one employer (us). Not sure how she expects to be paid by the other family (for whom she'll be doing school pick-up etc). we are keen to do things by the book. thanks again.

maybe she thinks they will pay her cash in hand. everyone has to be comfortable with the arrangement though. I am in a nanny share with slightly more hours than the other family and we split the tax code and all other costs proportionally.

Be careful not to end up as the employer 'sub-contracting' nanny to other family. If other family decide they don't need her anymore then you don't want to end up responsible for the whole salary.

thanks, yes - this is my concern. It apppears at the moment that we may get burdened with alll the responsibility - tax, national insurance, even the contract etc. as well as salary. It seems to me very fishy that some parties in an arrangement would be "above board" and others not. Gah. Does anyone know if it would be more usual for the nanny to be self employed - might this be something we could persuade her to do?

Most nanny jobs would not be self employment due to nature of the relationship.

How is the share being done exactly. Is the nanny caring for your children full time, then also picking up these children and bringing them back to your home? What about in school holidays, would nanny have your children plus the other families children all together at your home, at the other families home, combination of both?
Sounds like the nanny may have found the share family rather than you, is that the case? Do you have any contract between you and the other family.

Hi Nannynick. Currently, the nanny looks after one little girl all day for 3 days a week and then picks another up from nursery and they all spend the afternoon at the 2nd child's house. The mother of the 2nd child is currently the employer of the nanny and administers the payroll etc. We are looking to join the arrangement in June when the 1st little girl will be going to nursery. The nanny will come to our house in the morning 3 days a week to look after my son here and then will pick up the 2nd little girl and (I think) probably spend the afternoon at her house - (though I'd prefer it to be here, actually) In September the 2nd little girl will be starting school so the nanny will only pick her up from school 3 days a week. Complicated, huh? From September the nanny would like us to be her employer though I think we should probably officially take up that role sooner. It is the family of the 1st little girl that we know, though I spoke to the mother of the 2nd girl yesterday.

a nanny cant look after 3 children from 3 different familys on the same day

or have i read the last post wrongly and when girl goes to nursery, the share will just be you and other family?

I have a nanny share... the other parents are the 'employers' and I just pay for the hours I use.

Sounds very confusing. Not got my head around it yet.
I don't understand about the 1st family, are they leaving the share?

I don't think so nick. I read it that there will be 3 familys on the same day - which isn't allowed

just curious - who determines that isn't allowed? because of tax? Ofsted?
I'm sure there are such situations in my neighbourhood.

A nanny can only look after children from up to two families. If a nanny takes on children from three families or more they have to be registered as a childminder.

A nanny should have a contract with each family, stating how the tax code should be split.

share info on here

info on tax here

The childcare Exemptions from Registration Order 2008 - think that's the name - contains what is considered to be exempt Childminding.
So if caring for children from Family A, Family B and Family C all at the same time, then that would breach Childcare Act 2006 as it isn't covered under the exemptions from Childminder registration which exempt a nanny from that registration if working for just one family, or for two families.

thanks everyone. It is VERY confusing.
The 1st family will be leaving the share but not straight away - the latest wrinkle is that the nanny gave the 1st family "notice" last night - even though there is no contract in place with that family (very naughty all round).
I am going to talk to the nanny today and insist that a) we get a contract sorted and b) ensure that she isn't intending to look after the 3 children at once.
thanks everyone for your advice - this has all been very confusing and I think all parties previously involved have played a bit fast and loose with the rules - we will insist on proper contracts/employment status etc or will not be going ahead.

more fool the nanny not having a contract

glad we were helpful and def get contract/gross pay etc all sorted before the job starts

Starting from scratch sounds a good plan to me. You and the other family can the agree what the arrangements are between yourselves, then you can each employ the nanny.
Remember to discuss what happens on days that the nursery is closed, child minor illness etc.

Thanks - this is great advice. We will definitely have a contract firmly in place before she starts with our soon - this doesn't have to be complicated!
thanks all.

I meant "son" not "soon"!