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Live in nanny etiquette

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chitchat07 · 23/03/2010 10:42

I'm having a bit of a problem with the 'out of hours' times of my live in nanny. The problem is we never really discussed the full arrangements for the live in aspect of her role because at the time we were going through the recruitment process she lost her accommodation and is now live in while she saves up to move out - so it was only ever going to be temporary (6 - 7 months).

She has her own bedroom, and pretty much sole use of the main bathroom (both we and the children have ensuites so we don't need to use the main bathroom).

We also provide food. I work part time from home, and so am around during the day. I have few complaints of day time care of the children. They both love her, and she does lots of fun activities with them. Her duties include cleaning the areas that the children use (which does turn out to be the majority of the downstairs areas) which she isn't really that brilliant with but as it is also used by myself during the day I'm not that bothered by that. She also does extra ironing while I take my older child out to some activities and she only has the 6 month old.

But once we hit her finishing time (she works 9 hour days) she goes up to her room, goes onto the internet, has a bath etc, and only pokes her nose downstairs when I tell her that dinner is ready for long enough to woof her food down and then she disappears again. I've already had words with her about having to go and get her for dinner - I'm not her mother for heaven's sakes, and she is not a teenager who needs fetching and reminding that dinner is ready especially if I've already told her it will be ready in 15 (or whatever) minutes (only to have her go and actually have her bath right when I start cooking dinner!!!).

I've warned her that if this keeps up then I'm not going to bother calling her anymore and she can just eat her food cold whenever she bothers to make her way downstairs (partly based on her acknowledging that her mother also used to get annoyed with her when she behaved like this and just left her food to go cold rather than fetching her and I said 'fine, then that's what I will do then').

Not to mention that I never know in advance if she has decided to go out and therefore doesn't actually want any dinner or wants to eat as quickly as possible after work. I have to check with her if she is having dinner rather than her telling me that she will/won't be in, especially on weekends.

She doesn't help tidy up after dinner, bar her own plate, and certainly never helps prepare the food. I've only got 2-3 months left of this, but it is really getting me riled up. She does tidy the kitchen up in the morning if it is left messy, but I do try to avoid this either by cleaning it that evening or in the morning before she starts work.

She pretty much refuses to join us in the evenings, stating that she doesn't want to intrude. Given that most evenings my OH doesn't come home until quite late I'm not quite sure what she thinks she is going to intrude upon. She certainly is not behaving as though she is part of the household which is what I am finding difficult.

Does anyone think it would be unreasonable for me to just state that there is food in the fridge, and she can cook herself what she fancies but that I'm not going to cook for her anymore, or maybe just set 2 or so nights a week where I will cook for her and us and she can fend for herself the other nights?

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LouIsOnAHighwayToHell · 23/03/2010 10:49

From a live in nannys point of view she is acting fairly normally. She sees you and the children all day so she probably does not want to see you during the evening. I do my best to avoid my 'family' when I can.

She should not make you run after her in regards to meals but then again she does not have to eat with you. If she has eaten with you then she should help clean up as that is only polite.

She also does not have to tell you when and where she is going. Again it is merely common courtesy to let you know that she wil be out. As for meals, you do not have to cook for her only provide food. Stop cooking her a meal and let her fend for herself. That is how it usually works.

Missus84 · 23/03/2010 10:56

I wouldn't want to join you in the evenings either really - she's an employee rather than a family member.

Do you think maybe she doesn't really want to eat with you in the evenings either, and is trying to drop hints about it?

I'd stop cooking for her too, let her sort out her own dinner. You'd probably both be happier that way.

chitchat07 · 23/03/2010 11:10

It is not that I want to know if she is going out, but I would like to know if she is going to eat, if she is going out before dinner time then obviously she is not going to eat. If it is understood that I am cooking dinner, then I feel that it is polite for her to tell me whether she will actually be eating the dinner I am going to cook, (and the number of times I've had an 'I'm not sure' response to being asked whether she is having dinner is bordering on the ridiculous!)

There are other issues, but I don't feel able to deal with them because it will be too easy for me to be unreasonable with those while I am feeling annoyed with her over this issue, but 3 months is a long time to leave those other issues.

I'm just wondering whether at this late stage (we only have 3 months to go) it's worth/reasonable changing the meal arrangements.

I guess I will leave her to cook for herself then. It just seems a bit silly when she's a hopeless cook and I am cooking a meal anyway, but I guess the current arrangement is not really working for me! It will also let me separate this issue away from the other issues so that I can deal with them a bit more calmly and rationally.

Thank you!

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Missus84 · 23/03/2010 11:21

Tbh it does sound like you'd both be happier without the stress about meals. Being evasive about her plans, not coming to the table, telling you how her mother behaved makes it sound like she wants to organise her own food and is handling it very clumsy. Could be that she resents being called to the table like she's living at home?

chitchat07 · 23/03/2010 11:45

Missus84 - I don't get that vibe - tbh I think she's a bit scatterbrained and easily gets distracted. It takes her 2 hours to go and have a bath 'straight away' because she gets distracted by other things. (One of the issues that I have to call her on during her working hours - I now get her to repeat to me what I have asked her to do because otherwise she either won't have heard it properly, understood it properly, or will forget it. She laughs off her inability to focus but it can get annoying!)

She's often mentioned how hard its going to be for her when she has to start cooking again when she moves out so I do think she does appreciate the food.

I don't believe there's any ulterior motive to how she's acting, I just don't believe she thinks things through properly (or at all at times!). Probably the inner teenager in her that hasn't quite grown up yet! (She's in her early 20s).

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Ebb · 23/03/2010 12:57

Personally I don't think you should have to cook for her and I wouldn't be inclined to if she doesn't help prepare or clear up afterwards. I've very rarely had a boss cook anything for me when I've lived in. Occassionally we'd share a take away and watch a movie.

I'd have a chat and state that if she wants to eat with you then that's fine but she needs to tell you and if she doesn't then she should fend for herself. If you do cook for her, I would certainly ask her to help wash up or load the dishwasher afterwards. She probably got away with it when living at home but you're not her mother and she should muck in ( within reason when outside of her working hours ) when living in.

FabIsGettingThere · 23/03/2010 13:21

Erm, I think you have different ideas of what is what. BTW is she paid the same as if she was living out?

Most live in nanny's sort themselves out with dinner in the evening and don't want to spend the out of work hours with their bosses. It isn't up to her to provide company for you.

You sound very resentful that she is acting like a teenager but tbh you are treating her a bit like one an dlike you are her mother.

BoggleJunior · 23/03/2010 13:27

When my mum got fed up with a household of erratic teenagers, she put up a white board. The days of the week were across the board and then family members down the side. We each had to cross off which days we would and wouldn't be home (and mark which day we would cook).

Would that work?

chitchat07 · 23/03/2010 13:42

No she is not being paid the same rate as she will be when she changes to living out.

I probably am treating her a bit like a teenager and I know I shouldn't, but her being live in was sort of foisted on us due to her personal life being in crisis (and I am only a few years younger than her mother!) and we had to do a lot to help her out. It is only temporary, but it is for HER benefit, not for ours, so I guess I've always viewed it that the flexibility should be on her part and not mine as I don't actually want to have someone living in so I'm already making a huge concession.

This is something we have both been clear about, by the way, that living in was only temporary and not our preferred option. But if I have to be flexible to make it work, then I feel she needs to be even more so. I'm just trying to make sure that I don't act in a way that will be detrimental to our professional relationship because I think she is a fab nanny and when she is live out most of these issues will be gone.

I'm just trying to work out in my head whether it is worth the possible aggro to change things when in only 3 months time she will no longer be live in anyway.

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chitchat07 · 23/03/2010 13:49

Boggle - I've thought of that and sort of tried, but she is so last minute with her personal life that I would have to either assume she would be in or wouldn't be in because she never knows in advance - (but actually is rarely out Mon - Thurs - that is more of an issue for the weekends which I have already given up on and now just assume she will be out).

I think I'm just going to cook on set days and if she doesn't get herself down on time then she can just reheat dinner or eat it cold, and then on other days just let her fend for herself out of our fridge - although that will mean that I have to make sure there are easy to prepare foods in there because she doesn't know how to cook.

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crumpet · 23/03/2010 13:56

People I know who have live in do not expect to see their nannies out of hours. Not that she is banned or anything but after work hours is their time as a family and hers as an individual. Certainly cooking for the nanny wouldn't be expected.

Strix · 23/03/2010 14:57

If she works a 9 hour day, why does she not feed herself and the kids before you get home?

I would stop cooking for her.

I agree that her evening time is her own. My DH works away so when I get home it is me, the nanny, and the kids. The kids go to bed, nanny goes up to her room or goes out. I entertain myself... or I go out and she babysits.

Blondeshavemorefun · 23/03/2010 15:00

Don't cook for her. Most live ins sort out their own food.

Does she not cook for the children?

Tbh she prob doesn't want to spend every night with you. So what if she spends hours in the bath/on lappy etc - it's her free time

what I will say is, if she eats with you then yes she needs to help tidy up afterwards

chitchat07 · 23/03/2010 15:33

She does cook for the children, but she finishes at 5.30 so I take over for the 2 hours until bedtime. I then cook dinner for myself and my OH, and so also cook for her. I work from home so sometimes join a bit earlier and have a light snack with the children, but she still takes charge of their meal.

I don't care if she spends hours in the bath, on the lappy, but I do object to her starting to run her bath at 7.45 when that is when I start the main cooking (usually do prep work earlier) so dinner is usually just before 8.00. She doesn't do it deliberately, but it's pretty darn thoughtless IMO.

She can't get TV reception in her room (only main tv connected to freesat and we get no other tv coverage where we live) and her computer has gone a bit bunk so she can't view things on catch up tv etc on the internet at the moment. She is grizzling about not being able to see her favourite shows but won't come down and watch them on the TV in the lounge room, even if I am watching the same show. I am NOT going to pay for connection to her room because her living in is a temporary affair and not a situation which I sought. This is why I am getting annoyed at her refusal to come downstairs of an evening, but if she doesn't want to, that is her business and I don't intend to do anything about it.

I don't mind cooking dinner for her, because I am already cooking a meal and don't go out of my way to make anything special for her. I do mind having to chase her to tell her that the meal is ready and have told her this. It is the solution to this that has me in a quandary. Do I just leave her food and she can get it when she wants (which still means she doesn't help clean up because she'll probably eat after I've cleaned up). Or do I go the whole way and tell her to cook for herself and clean up after herself - seems a bit petty and over the top for something which will only continue for a few more months.

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Missus84 · 23/03/2010 15:41

It sounds like the cooking issue is causing a lot of unnecessary stress. Could you just cook for you and your DH and leave some in the pan for her to either have for her dinner or have for lunch the next day?

BlueGreen · 23/03/2010 15:51

Why do you cook for her anyway?

BlueGreen · 23/03/2010 16:05

You should stop cooking for her and give her a space. Maybe she doesnt want to eat with you everyday and you can not expect everyone to be exacly like you! She has different personality, and if she wants to take her bath in 2 hours she can and should as it is her time and I dont think you should complain about it. If you want to cook for her cook its up to you but dont expect her to join you. Maybe she wants to eat alone? MAybe she wants to have "me" time. She is already seeing you all day and maybe she wants to have a break from work.

Problem solved!

greybird · 23/03/2010 16:05

I've only ever had a live out nanny but I think I would be quite happy if a live in kept some privacy in the evenings. Reading your comment:

"but I do object to her starting to run her bath at 7.45 when that is when I start the main cooking"

...makes me think that there must be more to this than just about cooking dinner. Because it really doesn't sound like the sort of thing I would expect a live in nanny employer would get wound up about.

You sound stressed about having someone live in your house unexpectedly (very understandably) and somehow imposing a behaviour expectation on your part, which is not being met by her. And I would take a guess that you have some other issues with her behaviour as well, and it's all adding up, and this is just one way in which it's coming out.

I agree that TV is her problem, not yours. Her dinner isn't your problem either.

bloss · 23/03/2010 16:07

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greybird · 23/03/2010 16:09

and in response to your original question,

Does anyone think it would be unreasonable for me to just state that there is food in the fridge, and she can cook herself what she fancies but that I'm not going to cook for her anymore,

No, I don't think that's unreasonable at all.

chitchat07 · 23/03/2010 16:37

greybird - you've hit the nail on the head. There are other issues about her behaviour which irk me, but which are none of my business except when they effect her ability to work (which they have done on occasion). Also, I am more aware of these behavioural issues because she is live in, and when she moves out I suspect I will not have the same knowledge of them so I am trying to hive them off in my mind right now and not let them effect they way I deal with other things. Not always successfully!!!!

We never really sorted out the fine details of the live in because when she first moved in it was only going to be for a couple of months but we quickly realised that it would have to be for longer than that - but I have imposed an end date by which she must move out. I've never really considered it to be a 'proper' live in arrangement because of its temporary nature, and because it was not us initiating it (and also because of the extremely chaotic nature of her first month with us, due to circumstances beyond our or her control).

Anyway I will let you know how I go changing the meal arrangements!

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greybird · 23/03/2010 16:50

Good luck. FWIW I think it is very nice of you to have given her accommodation. I think it's reasonable for you to expect some flexibility and sensitivity from the nanny in return. Hope it works out...

MobileNumberPortability · 24/03/2010 22:27

Ditch cooking for her, her off duty meals are her concern. This was what I did as a Live In Nanny.

As a Maternity Nanny now, I more often than not shop/cook for myself, I do sometimes eat with the parents but it isn't something I expect and make it clear at interview that i prefer to sort myself out and also want to respect the parents quality evening time with each other and their baby.

Said that ate with family tonight and am current sitting with mum watching tv and have the baby in my arms while online. Dad in bed.

NK5c74826eX126faefc14d · 25/03/2010 18:05

It sounds like a great arrangement to me! We've had au pairs and I prefer them not to intrude in the evening. I value my time with dh and even if he's not there I like to chill out a bit on my own without having to make conversation. I would agree with the others about not cooking for her.

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