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Paid childcare

Discuss everything related to paid childcare here, including childminders, nannies, nurseries and au pairs.

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Nanny share payrise?

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Nannysharehelp · 22/02/2010 18:03

I have been working for 2 families together as a nannyshare for the last year.
I currently earn 10net perhour.
As my contract is having a review date is it greedy to ask for a 1.50 payrise per family so 3pounds?
I know the parents are very happy with me and have said they want me to stay on.

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annh · 22/02/2010 18:20

Do you mean 3 pounds per hour rise? Or 3 pounds per day? I rather suspect the former in which case you are mad or greedy or both. That would be a 30% pay rise on what already seems to be a salary at the higher end of what nannies earn. On top of that, the parents will then have additional tax and NI liabilities so even more of a hike for them. Of course, if you are looking at 3 pounds per day that's a completely different matter and would presumably be more in the region of a 3% rise, which is probably more like the pay rise that your employers got this year - if they got anything at all!

nannynick · 22/02/2010 18:21

How many hours are you doing a week?

If you are doing 50 hours a week, then currently you are earning £34,997 gross per year. If as a single employment, cost to employer is £38,745

An increase of £3 net per hour, equates to:
Annual Salary becomes £46,749 If as a single employment, cost to employer is £52,001
I make that a rise of around 34%

While the figures I have used may not be reflective of your situation, the percentage increase you are looking at I expect would be similar. So I do think 34% increase in salary is asking far too much.

At the moment, people are lucky if they get any increase at all.

nannynick · 22/02/2010 18:24

annh - you beat me to it

Nannysharehelp - could you clarify your figures, also knowing how many hours you are working may help to produce a salary calculation. Did you really mean increasing from £10 net per hour to £13 net per hour?

starberries · 22/02/2010 18:42

Holy crap! You're asking for £3 net an hour extra after only 1 year??? Your employers will have a heart attack. I think even asking for a £1.50ph rise is too much.

£10 net per hour for a nannyshare isn't bad going tbh, ofc it depends on your experience, location, ages of the children, and other factors. To give you a rough idea, I have 6 yrs exp and work in London, native English, and am on £11 net ph.

I think the far more sensible thing to do is see if they make an offer first (normally 3-5% is the norm) and if not, say something along the lines of 'If you're happy with my performance...I wonder if due to inflation and soaring food costs (etc etc) you would consider a 5% rise' then see what they say.

annh · 22/02/2010 19:03

Aah, but Nannynick you were much more organised and produced actual figures! I was just gobsmacked by the whole idea!

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Nannysharehelp · 22/02/2010 20:02

I have 15years experience. Fully qualified. I mean £3 perhour split between two families. So £1.50 per family per hour. I shall see what they offer.

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lobsters · 22/02/2010 20:04

While the parents might like you a 30% pay rise in completely unrealistic in the current environment. Neither DH nor I are get a pay rise this year, therefore as much as we like our nanny we'll have to think long and hard about a pay rise.

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Nannysharehelp · 22/02/2010 20:22

I work 30hours a week.

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chandellina · 22/02/2010 20:35

my nanny (share) is on the same pay and hours and i would have a heart attack if she wanted that. how standard are pay rises anyway? I've not had one myself for two years so am not really in a position to offer my nanny one when her contract comes up later this year.

nannynick · 22/02/2010 20:48

Do you understand the difference between Gross and Net. A rise in net pay can make a larger rise in Gross and thus also other taxes like Employers NI.
I will work you out the money values once I get home - unless someone beats me to it. Have to sing the Chorus of the Hebrew Slaves in a couple of minutes... I'm at choir practice!

annh · 22/02/2010 21:04

Nannyshare, what do you anticipate the response from your employer families will be if you ask for a 30% payrise? Would you agree that no matter how qualified and experienced you are, this is a whopping great rise? I also think your level of experience is a red herring here, presumably last year when you negotiated your current rate, you were also fully qualified and had 14 years of experience so why does one more year deserve such an increase in pay? Do not confuse how much the families may like you with their ability to pay you well above the average rate for nannying.

lobsters · 22/02/2010 21:10

If you get a 30% payrise (which does cost your your employer more) it will probably one of the biggest pay rises in the country this year. I don't mean to be rude but it is a ridiculous demand in the middle of a recession.

Strix · 22/02/2010 21:25

Sometimes you can make a request so bold the the employers will never again see you as the nice person they thought you were. If my nanny asked me for a 30& pay raise I would laugh at her. (although my nanny is not rude or selfish and so she would not do this)

I did pmce have a nanny who tried to renegotiate her pay and even refused to carry on with the existing arrangement. It pissed me off in a big way and I never got over it. So I don't think it is true that there is no harm in asking.

Missus84 · 22/02/2010 21:29

Could your employers even afford that? From the calculations above it looks like £7000 per family per year extra.

However much my boss likes me I doubt they'd be able to afford to give me that much more a year!

nbee84 · 22/02/2010 21:35

Another one here that thinks employee/employer relationship will suffer if you ask for such a whopping increase! I can't believe that anyone could be so cheeky to ask for such an increase in the current economic climate! You are on a very good rate of pay anyway.

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Nannysharehelp · 22/02/2010 21:41

AnnH - someone else said they have 6 years and they are english like english has anything to do with it so I was just stating facts. Before you throw your toys out the pram.
As for being selfish and rude if I was that selfish and rude I would have went to them first instead I came to the locals to get opinons.
Thanks for all your time and answers.
I have just spoken to my boss and both familys have agreed to a £1.00 payrise perhour each.

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annh · 22/02/2010 21:58

Well, on behalf of the "locals" I salute your confidence in even bringing up the subject with your employers! However, I find it a little odd that you have called one (or both?) families in the evening in advance of your review to ask for this payrise and they have (without speaking to each other or seemingly having had much time to work out the financial and taxation implications to themselves?) agreed to a 20% payrise. Oh hell, I admit it - I got a whopping 3% payrise this year, dh got nothing so I am just jealous!

nbee84 · 22/02/2010 22:03

3% here too annh - and pleased to have got a rise at all.

Also find it a bit suss that she called them out of the blue to ask for a payrise. I don't think I'd ever ask for a pay rise in a telephone call!!!

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Nannysharehelp · 22/02/2010 22:04

They new last week I have been offered 2 other jobs and they spoke amongst themselves hence why I said they don't want to loose me.
Issue resolved. Thanks all.

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nannynick · 22/02/2010 22:21

Currently you are on £10 net per hour, you are working 30 hours a week, so annual gross £19,883 (with thanks to Kistax Calculator)
If a single employment, cost to employer £21,696
You are wanting to up the salary to £13 net per hour. Which is £26,684 gross. Cost to employer of £29,368
An increase of £7672.

I would expect that a 25p per hour net payrise may be in the area of possibility. It's a tad under 3%. I am thus extremely surprised your bosses have agreed to a £2 net per hour increase.

Their costs have gone from £21,696 to £26,811 (based on being a single employment, which it might not be but I'm not sure how to work it out as two employments - MrAnchovy is good at that.)
Your gross has gone up to £24,417 - an increase of £4534.

I think we would all love to get a pay rise of that much

BlueGreen · 22/02/2010 22:43

I dont know where the OP lives but in central London £12ph net for nanny share is the norm. I havent heard anyone working less then that to be honest. So the OP's family already have been saving £2ph every hour anyway. Means they were saving £60 every week for the past year. That is equvilant to £3120 per annum. And I'm sure they(the families) know the going rate and know that they cant find cheaper and also they are happy with their nanny.

BEcause some of the nannies getting less paid doesnt mean others should get paid less. If you think you are under paid change your job but dont think other nannies less worth then you, cause you are British!

I smell jealousy here

nannynick · 22/02/2010 23:12

Yes BlueGreen, it may be a case that they were underpaid to start with. We were not told location though, we were just give some figures... so it was more the percentage rise that was being commented on.

Yes, I suspect we are jealous of someone else getting such a good percentage payrise. It's not often an employer (in any industry I suspect) would give a 25%-35% payrise, without there being extra duties/responsibility involved.

Blondeshavemorefun · 23/02/2010 08:34

wow - you want a 30% payrise

thats a lot, average seems to be about 5%, so on your wage £1ph extra between both familys

saying that i agree that nannyshares are normally a bit more and average seem to be £12ish as bluegreen said both are paying £5phnett so have been making a saving

op - you say issue resolved - did they pay you £30 more a day nett?

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Nannysharehelp · 23/02/2010 09:14

Yes I now get £13 net.
I am in Zone 2 London.

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Gangle · 25/02/2010 21:46

We are in central London and pay £10 net for our nanny share - understood and were informed by numerous agencies that this was the going rate. We have in any event just given our nanny a 3% increase. If we were paying £13 per hour I would really expect our nanny to be able to spell (new, loose???).

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