Nannyshare - please share your wisdom

[harimosmummy]

OK, I have a question...

A friend of mine and I want to do a nannyshare.

She employs the nanny and I would just 'use' the nanny a few hours a week.

Can anyone tell me how it works?

Nanny asked me for £10p/h (which I was fine with) but then expected THE FULL rate from my friend, which we were both a bit about....

Obviously, if my friend is expected to pay the full rate regardless, she might as well stop the nannyshare (I understand and agree with her stance on this)

I'd appreciate any advice from others who nannyshare.

HM

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Hmmm, that sounds a bit much to me. Usually a nannyshare is more per hour than normal, but not that much more.

Is this your friend's existing nanny, or are you just interviewing?

I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused. Your nanny is being paid a full salary by your friend (who's employer) & then asked you, on top of that, to get paid 10£ cash in hand per hour for the hours she works for you too? So all in all she'd be paid (lets say) 20£ per hour or so for the hours she has shared care of your children? Or would she be paid 10£ cash in hand from you per hour for hours during which she has only your child?

She would get £20 for looking after the two children together.

She would never have my child on her own.

Double salary is not standard. I ask for an increase of a third on my hourly rate and I've been told on here before that that's high and other people would only offer 15-20% increase.

we've had a nanny share.
one family: 70pound net a day (this was a few years ago)
two families: 90 pounds net a day

These rates were suggested by the nanny herself. She was very experienced and fully qualified.

shares are often half again, though many on here will disgaree and say an extra 25%

your nanny does seem to be asking alot and you should benifit from having a nannyhsre and pay less each day

Our arrangement has the hours of joint care rated at 25% more than the hours of sole care. This is for going from 2 children to 3 (well, mostly of the time it's going from 1 to 2, because the oldest one is at school, but it's the responsibility that counts).

A doubling is unrealistic: would the nanny expect to find her salary doubled if she interviewed for a job with two children rather than just one?

Sorry but your nanny is taking the piss. Double the salary is completely ridiculous tbh. What's the point of doing a nannyshare then?! Surely one of the main pluses of the arrangement is the lower cost!!

Well, yes, Maria... quite!!!

If it's an existing nanny it's a variation to her terms of employment so of course she can expect extra, but 100% is taking the piss totally.

I think you need to look at the extra work involved before negotiating what's a reasonable increase. Will having your child too mean working in a different place (potential extra travel costs), having to collect/drop off children where she didn't have to before etc.

I would imagine (thinking purely in terms of employment law rather than the nanny experience) that if is it is an existing nanny she could quite legitimately refuse to do it - she took one job and is now being asked to do another. If she was then dismissed for refusing she would potentially have a case for unlawful dismissal against your friend.

Hm no, she could be made redundant from her previous job (family no longer need an exclusive arrangement) and offered the job for the share BUT that would mean that the family currently employing the nanny can't have an exclusive nanny for a certain period of time (think it's 2 years) without offering her the job first.

No one is talknig about dismissal!!

It's a long story, but the jist is:

Nanny has taken a job on an exclusive basis. let's say this is for £10p/h.

We discussed a nanny share and both the nanny and the employer were happy with the concept.

The nanny asked me for £10p/h. I was happy with this. Both I and the employer thought that the employer's rate would be cut. It was only right at the end of the first day that the nanny said she still wanted 100% of her agreed salary from employer as well.

Now, this makes no sense to anyone.

if employer has to pay the full amount, then she might as well continue with the (agreed) exclusive use.
If nanny won't settle for a compromise, she is going to only earn the basic wage (it is no real hardship / no extra travelling costs etc to look after my child too)
And if they can't agree, I don't get to use a nanny I really rate....

Just hope we can come to some workable arragement that benefits everyone.

Is it just as hoc work? A few hours here and there or the same hours and days a week?

If it is just a few hours here and there, I can kind of see where she is coming from, I wouldn't personally do it, I would say £15 an hour £7.50 from each of you.

If it is regular hours and she knows exactly when and how long, then she should definately get less, I would say half again as she does have double the work!

You also have to factor in tax and NI and employers NI, if your friend uses all her tax code you would look at paying around £12.50 on £7.50 unfortunately.

that is outrageous. should be 12p/h tops.

Sorry, it would be def. hours, each week (but I get the benefit of a nanny without having to employ one full time, IYSWIM)