CM becoming Nanny

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My DD (2.5) currently goes to a fab CM who has 3 children of her own - one pre-schooler and 2 at school. I have recently had a DS and mentioned to the CM that I would like him to go to her as well if she has space when I go back to work.

CM asked whether I would consider having her as a nanny instead of CM.I'm happy with this idea and would love to keep her looking after the DCs but have a few questions.

Logistically it would be much easier for her to look after all the children at her house - it would save a lot of driving and her house is more child friendly ( we have stone floors and lots of little split levels which is hard work with a toddler). Is this feasible or would she have to be based at our house?

Salary wise, we would be responsible for NI and tax, obviously. If she agreed, would we be able to pay her the net amount she would get for CMing 2 children - (around #7 here) and then sort out the tax on top.

What sort of nursery duties could we ask her to do? I know these will be limited if she is in her own home but would it be reasonable to ask her to do occasional errands for us / wait in for plumbers etc if necessary?

Thoughts gratefully received...

I'm afraid I can only answer the bit about 'where' and afraid she won't be able to do it in her own home as a nanny.

Firstly, to be a nanny she has to come to your home. If she is working from her own home then she has no option but to remain as a registered childminder.

Wages wise, rates vary widely depending on the area you are in but £7 net does seem to be a rough average. You would pay tax, ni and employers ni on top of that. Other costs to consider are the extra heating in your own home, extra food (particularly if you are providing food for her children) and nannies normally get paid a mileage for using their car for the children.

Nursery duties would be whatever you negotiate with her. Anything child related is norm - cleaning/tidying their bedrooms and playroom, doing their laundry and changing their beds.

she can cm at her house or nanny at yours

it would cost you more to have her as your nanny then as your cm with 2nd child,by the time you pay tax and ni as well

why does she want to change from cm to nanny?

is she fed up being self employed?

i dont think this will work as she needs to be at your house, who will have her own children while she is working for you - or would she bring all 3 with her to yours?

I think she is fed up with being a CM partly because of the self-employed thing and partly because of the paperwork - when looking after a child full time it does seem to take a fair bit of extra time on top of each day.

She would have to bring her children to my house - so would bring her DD over after pre-school and then pick up the others at normal school finishing time.

Fom my point of view, I'm not too bothered by the cost (within reason!). I think she has done a really good job with dd so far and like the idea of them only being looked after by one other person for as long as needed. Also, more importantly, DD will be going to a pre-school where CMs do not routinely collect - it is in the next town so beyond current CMs usual route and it would save me having to arrange dropoffs/ collections in the middle of hte day. Also, I can ask her to take DD to ballet classes etc which DD would love and she already arranges for someone to take her children to.

Is it an insurance thing that requires her to be based at my house? It would just add an awful lot of driving around to do school pick ups etc.

It is an Ofsted thing - it it actually illegal for her to work from her own home as a nanny.

Will she be happy getting 3 children up and out of the house 1st thing in the morning to come to you?

As she will be an employee she will also be entitled to paid holiday - currently 28 days a year (pro ratad for part time)

OK thanks. The nanny thing was her suggestion but will discuss it further with her about whether it can work if she has to come to my house... otherwise, I'll just try and keep her as a very good CM.