Fuck a duck CM not registered

[in2minds]

All hell has broke loose her.
Short story, I renew tax credits last week and give them the new providers details.
Today I get a phone call asking for old providers details, she is a fruit loop I sacked because her boyfriend hurt my child (child took 12 months to tell me, not a mark at the time, police not interested).
So I give them the ofstead number she gave me, she never registered
Where do I stand ? I'm guessing at best I have to pay back a massive amount of money ?

Because I had no idea that reports were available, I had never used a childminder before mine have always been in nursery prior to this.

And this has seriously put me off any child minder I can tell you there appears to be no interest from any authorities in dealing with this matter.
As for what I would have liked the police to do, they should have taken the child's statement and challenged them surely ? Even if they felt the victim age 3 couldn't be relied upon her 6 year old sister saw the whole incident and her memory is very clear.
And surely if one allegation is made that could sit on file to use in evidence for the next time which I've no doubt there will be.

Have you contacted the council now?

Did you contact Ofsted at the time of this assault in2minds?

Please don't let one (seemingly unregistered) person's actions put you off the whole profession comments like that do our reputation no good at all and are very disheartening for good childcareres to hear

To be fair it does have to be pointed out that people really do need to check that people claiming to be registered are indeed that. By ringing the official body to verify, by checking inspection reports, by checking insurance dosuments which are displayed and aren't issued without having registration.

The onus really is on the parents.

i dont see why it has put you off childminders..because she obvioulsy isnt one!

point of fact if she gave you her reg and you have been claiming with that for some time then 3 people will be called to question..HER for fraud, YOU for using a ffraudulent reg number unless you can prove you 'thought' she WAS reg ie: contract, any written info from her inc anything with company/bsiness name on and TAX CREDITS for accepting a fraudulent reg code/not checking it was a real reg code BEFORE they began paying .
i find it most unusual OFSTED werent interested?..another cm on here has them coming this week and she has no idea why and i know shes a good CM, so they do come out for small matters as well as big thigs like this.
Have you contacted her to ask what her story is?

did you have a contract with her?, on all my contracts i have to pot my ofsted reg number, insurance policy num ns ncma number?

Pinkchick she just gave me a letter head from ofsted with a reg number on it, that was it.
Maybe three people are in the wrong here but only one ie me is going to pay for it.

At the time of the assult I knew nothing about it, my child was kicked and then locked in their back garden for a while was her sisters sat watching her through the window sobbing and then before they left he screamed at them not to tell us and they were so frightened they didn't tell me until they felt safe she was out of their lives and not coming back. It then came up over lunch one day and I went straight to the police, ofsted weren't on my mind at all tbh.
But the council asked was she convicted, no, well then nothing they can do.

Did you report her to ofsted for the incident? I would hate to be in your position.

Ofsted have a duty to investigate all allegations, regardless how old they are, i find it hard to believe that they are not interested in the assault upon your child or the fact that she appears to be working outside her registration rules - presuming she is on the VC register - if you say that this man kicked your DD then this is a serious issue and comes under protection guidelines and as such ofsted should pass this onto your local Social Services protection team in the first instance to investigate the matter, then they send the report back to Ofsted, have you contacted SS directly their duty team will advise you what steps to take.

And as for saying it's put you off CM's I find this very upsetting this person is not a CM in any form and I personally feel offended to be clumped with the likes of her, I'm bloody good at my job, work hard as most proper CM's do this kind of comment upsets me.

But this is the whole point she's not registered with them so they aren't seeing this as their problem.
I've been to the police who wouldn't take the little one's statement and so what more can you do ?
I've managed to put it all behind me now until this I'm not dragging it all up again with the child by calling SS, nobody suggested that at the time so what would they do now ?

REGARDLESS of the assault on your DD, have you explicitly told the council and ofsted that this woman is masquerading as a registered CM? Because they should be interested in that, because it is a child protection issue.

"From what I can gather I am going to get stung twice once for over payment with the tax credits and there is a possibility I may be responsible for paying her tax and ni (according to somebody on another forum) because even though she was working for other people too, I was her employer - does that sound right"

Think i've seen your post on another forum, but it says you paid her cash in hand as a live in nanny?? The rest of the details match here except for the live in nanny part.

If she did live in you should have been paying tax and national insurance.

This is all getting confusing!

in2minds, in your first post you say you sacked her because her boyfriend hurt your child, and then you say "they were so frightened they didn't tell me until they felt safe she was out of their lives and not coming back."

Confusing.

"Well Coolmama that may be the case where you live but our current school flat refuses to provide before and after school care as only 16 parents require it, which is a bit of a bugger really and has put me in the position where I have ended up exposed to this "childminder" as a result."

All schools will have to provide 8-6 wrap around care from Sept 2010.

It doesn't matter why she was sacked in the grand scheme of things does it ? The boyfriend thing came out after she'd gone, i'm sure there were other reasons why we fell out, the boyfriend thing just sticks in mind the most as it would.

And yes I read that too about wrap around care but that doesn't help me here and now does it ?

How are village schools going to manage to provide wrap around care? Would they just have to open up their hall and offer breakfast and after school club?
What about when there are parent's evenings?
There are some schools that will not be able to offer this, mainly due to lack of interested parents.
Our local village school only has 50 pupils!

Ours is claiming there is not a need 16 parents responded positively to the questionnaire sent out and they need 20 for it to qualify for a grant to make it happen apparently.

"The boyfriend thing came out after she'd gone"

So she did live in or work at your house then? You also cant sack a childminder as they are not an employee but you can sack a nanny.

Ripeberry, the care does not have to be on the premises so some smaller schools will make arrangements with outside clubs etc I presume. Our ASC runs with far less than 16 children but it also runs the pre-school which may counter some of the costs.

Um how I understand the wrap around care thing in my area is that the schools merely have to show they are supportive of wrap around care- therefore rather than actually physically opening up their hall after school they have to provide a leaflet (which county does for them) in the school bags each term letting parents know details of CMs and after school clubs in the area.....whether that will change from Sep I haven't heard yet - and we usually do.

Re all this ringing Ofsted - if shes not registered then what can they do about it? It is illegal to operate as an unregistered childminder - that is a fact so someone somewhere is responsible for prosecuting her. Whether it be the police, SS or the council - keep ringing them all til someone takes responsibility. Its important to see this through to ensure her and her mate stop giving those of us who take the time, money and effort to register and do a decent job and also to make sure her boyfriend doesn't kick anyone elses poor little one!

As for tax credits - pay em £10 a month and put it down to experience. Only thing you can do....

Sorry I know I've repeated others but its easier to say it in one piece than try and pick through who said what when!

HTH

No, I read that the school could use local chilcare provisions, but they would be responsible for the transfer of pupils to that care after the end of the school day.