How often do childminders renew Ofsted registration/CRB check?

[patriciawentworthheroine]

Sorry if this is an obvious question. How often do Ofsted renew a childminder's registration, and does this involve a fresh CRB check each time?

Or do childminders simply get Ofsted registration and CRB check ONCE and carry on from there?

I am puzzled as I have been looking for nannies and their VOLUNTARY Ofsted registration has to be renewed annually and this includes a CRB check. It seems strange that the requirement for childminders, who are obliged to be Ofsted registered, would be less.

Yes it is odd

But once is it....they did broach the idea that it would be once every 3 yrs...but they never did it

CMs pay an annual registration fee to Ofsted and we are inspected every 3yrs to make sure we're 'doing the job properly', but not sure if CRB check has to be redone, though any children turning 16 have to have an enhanced CRB check done.

Never figured this one out either, as a minder I have parents who are teachers, care staff, police and social workers, they seem to have endless redone CRB checks, they think it's odd that mines 6yrs old! actually so do I, they should be renewed every couple of years IMO.

I've been police checked when I started Childminding.

15 yrs ago!

I've not been crb checked since, tho both my children were when they reached 16.

Barmy really!

The rules on CRB checks do not allow anyone to apply for a CRB check on themselves - which as chilminders are self employed thus creates a problem in maintaining up to date checks. However i sort of get around this as i do regular voluntary helping for groups that also need CRB clearence, and the regulations are that you now have to have a fresh CRB each time you do this - they are no longer transferable between jobs like they used to be.

Nannies would have new one done via agency/employer.

OFSTED registration fee paid annually and inspecton every 3 years or earlier if any concerns at previous inspections, if you check OFSTED website info is there.

hth

dobby where did you get that info?
i was crb checked 5 years ago and not since. I transferred the crb from my nursery managers job to my childminding with no probs.
i gave up childminding 3 years ago now and have worked in the pre school my daughter goes to (covering sickness) and the leader rang ofsted and asked if i needed re checking for CRB and she was told my old check was fine ( this was in jan 2009)
I also now work running creches for sure start and have not had to have my CRB check redone despite being in sole charge of children.
From what i have read on CRB site and OFSTED site it is at the discretion of the new job (play school etc) as to if they get a new check done. OFSTED said to the pre school that if they feel competent in my abilities and KOW me well then they are able to accept my CRB check and not apply for it to be redone. i know this is different in schools and hospitals etc.

Yet, even though I am a registered cm with a current crb clearance I had to have a separate one done through local authority so that I could go on school trips as a parent/helper when son was in nursery .

Barmy, barmy, barmy.

The criminal records bureau do not support or recommend portability of checks between differant jobs, but cannot,of course, stop it. The risk is with the organisation who allow it so most public sector and places where enhance CRB are required follow CR bereau lead and ask for new check.

I only found this out after a heated debate with someone when trying to set up a new kids club. Like you i have used my CRB across organistions in the past

info is here

www.crb.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=1870

barmy situation if you ask me

sorry linky
www.crb.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=1870

In Scotland we are subject to inspections annually, and annual renewal of our Registration but nothing is said about Disclosure (CRB) checking which did surprise me especially seeing as such a check is only realy valid for the day it is carried out.Each person reaching the age of 16yo and any new adult to the home have to be Disclosure checked.

BONKERZ I thought it was the case that each new post had to have a CRB re-done? I had one done for Youth Club a few yrs back and then 3 months after got a job in a Nursing Home and it had to be re-done, thought this was standard practise?

Also nannies can only get a CRB check via an agency, not via parent employers. can anyone verify if bannies on voluntary OFSTED register get annual ones via OFSTED?

www.crb.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=381

I have an old CRB check for childminding, but a more recent one for when I became a chaperone for dancing. I did ask Ofsted about renewing my CRB check and they said there is some kind of new system coming in (which should stop us needing a new check for every new role) and they are not renewing any before it comes in.

dobby: I've just put in for my Ofsted registration for the voluntary register and my CRB is being done via Ofsted

Childminders in Wales have to renew their CRB every three years and are inspected every two years.

CRBs are out of date the minute they are printed! It would be a bit more sensible if Ofsted renewed childminder's CRB checks at inspection every three years, but I guess that would cost more for processing of all those extra checks and probably result in the annual fee going up.

Childminding is a notifiable occupation so the police should inform Ofsted if a childminder is convicted of an offence, and childminders are also legally obliged to inform Ofsted of anything that happens that may affect their suitability. That system does rely on both the police and childminders remembering/bothering to tell Ofsted but at least it's a start!

I am puzzled as I have been looking for nannies and their VOLUNTARY Ofsted registration has to be renewed annually and this includes a CRB check. It seems strange that the requirement for childminders, who are obliged to be Ofsted registered, would be less.

In England (as you are talking about Ofsted), Ofsted DO NOT repeat the CRB check every year for nannies on the Voluntary part of the Childcare Register. The previous scheme (Childcare Approval Scheme) did repeat the CRB check.

In October this year (2009) there is planned a new system for childcare workers starts in England, which is to be run by the Independent Safeguarding Authority. This scheme as far as I can understand it will be optional for Nannies. The ISA say "As a parent employing someone to look after your children you are not obliged to check if they are ISA-registered, but you are free to do so for the extra reassurance this can offer."
As part of ISA registration, a CRB check is done and will be constantly updated. You can read more about this at ISA: How Do We Work?

The new scheme starts in October 2009 and I think will become mandatory for everyone working with children (except for nannies) by November 2010.

I suspect that due to this new Vetting & Baring scheme starting, Ofsted are not redoing CRB checks as regularly as they may have done in the past, or as regularly as previous schemes have done in the past.

Something else to keep in mind, Childminders don't pay for their CRB checks - they are funded by DCSF. I can not find any info relating to how much longer that funding will continue.

I am a childminder and I had to pay for my CRB check ????

You did? DSCF as far as I am aware is still funding those and I am just reading a consultation document about the ISA in which the Government says:

Source: ISA scheme Consultation Document Formal Government Response 30 May 2008

87. The cost of Enhanced Disclosure checks is currently subsidised by the Department for Children, Schools and Families and makes up part of the childminder?s Ofsted registration fee. Some respondents raised concerns about the cost of the ISA registration: in cases where there were a number of people living in the household who needed to be checked, it was thought that the cost could deter and could potentially reduce the number of childminding placements. The Government has no current plans to remove the subsidy of CRB checks, but will review the position when the details underpinning the ISA Scheme are settled.
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Ofsted Registration Fees currently says

The Department for Children, Schools and Families currently subsidises the cost of CRB checks for some people connected with applications to join the Childcare Register. These are:

 * applicants to provide childminding on both parts of the Childcare Register
 * applicants to provide home childcare on the voluntary part of the Childcare Register
 * applicants to provide childcare on domestic and non-domestic premises on the compulsory part of the Childcare Register
 * people who live or work on domestic premises on the compulsory part of the Childcare Register. This includes any assistants or employees who care for children.
 * people who live or work on childminding premises on both parts of the Childcare Register. This includes any assistants or employees who care for children.

These people do not have to pay for a CRB disclosure.
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I had a what was then called a Police Check done, many many years ago, and have nevr had another done.

When I asked about having a CRB done when Ofsted came in, I was told that if I had done anything to warrent a new CRB done I would tell them!!!!

And as I hadnt told them I needed to have one done, then I didnt need one done!!!

DH did need to have one done when we moved in together tho, and I did need to tell them when we married, so they could change my name, but that was all.