Nannyshares and minimum wage?

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I've been mostly looking at nannyshare jobs since I'd like to bring ds with me to work.
What would be an average net/gross wage for a nannyshare in greater london? and would I still be subject to minumum wage laws considering I would be sharing with myself iyswim? Also is minimum wage net or gross? I get confused
I'm thinking that if I were to work for under minimum wage I would still be bringing home a good amount of money since I wouldn't have my own childcare costs to pay. Does that make sense?

min wage is gross and 5.73 and hour

so for a 10 hour day £57.30 gross..

if you are an experianced nanny with good references im sure you could get a lot more than £50ish a day even with your own child tagging along too!

I think minimum wage is £5.77 gross - even saving on childcare that's not a great amount of money.

you would be able to charge more than minimum wage,even with a child in tow

not as high as a nanny without ,but not as low as minimum wage!

I'm getting £9 an hour and I'm 2 hours out of London. Don't automatically sell yourself short financially just because you have a child. One of the reasons I got my job was because the Mum wanted her similar aged child to have company. If you've got experience and good references then I'm sure you'll find a family who will value you a little more than the minimum wage.

Thanks for the info. I'm looking for my first nanny position even though I've worked with children before so probably not looking at that much money.

Also, probably a stupid question but a nannyshare looking after 2 families can split care between the 2 families homes, but can I as technically one half of the nannyshare care for the family's children in my home part of the time or does that then become illegal childminding? I'm thinking it does.

Thinking I might need to call Ofsted in the morning about that one...

I doubt Ofsted would be able to answer that one... it's a tricky part of the legislation.
When a nanny works for P1 and P2 it is ok, but not if a P3 is involved. But does the nanny themselves count as P3 if that nanny brings their own child... tricky.

But why would you want a job where you are caring for your child, P1's children and P2's children all at the same time? Why not look at jobs where it is only your child plus P1's children?

As a nanny you can't EVER care for children at your own home. Ok so that isn't quite true, but when putting it simply it is. (There is a 2-hour rule plus a 14-day notification rule, if you want to get more technical on this. )

So my advice is:
Don't care for children at your own home.
Nanny for only one family at any given time - this means that you can nanny for multiple families such as 2 part-time jobs, just not two families at the same time.
I doubt that there would be all that much of a problem doing a nannyshare plus taking your own child... but I am not aware of that legal point being tested at tribunal/court as yet, so if you do decide to do a nannyshare you need to be aware that there is an element of risk that you may inadvertently breach English childcare legislation. Legislation: The Childcare (Voluntary Registration) Regulations 2007 No. 730
The Childcare (Exemptions from Registration) Order 2008

a child or children for particular parents (?the first parents?) and, in addition, for a child or children for different parents (?the second parents?), wholly or mainly in the home of the first parents or the second parents or in both homes;
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Thanks Nannynick.
I'm looking at a situation where I would be caring for the children of P1 and I would be considered P2 with my child. I asked about the minimum wage rules and how they affect nanny shares because the wages involved wouldn't be spectacular for the hours. (It works out about £5/hr gross
It would also nice to have the option of bringing the children to my home part of the time because I know there's certain days that I would be able to do nothing with the children in the area I would be working in. For instance no playgroups, no local soft play and if the weather was bad we couldn't even take a trip to the park so on a day like that it would be nice to take them somewhere I know they could get out and about and play with other children iyswim?
Wishful thinking I know.

I wouldn't consider that to be a nannyshare, in my view it is one family employing a nanny who is bring their own child with them. However due to bringing your own child, the family may well reduce the pay from that which they would pay a nanny who didn't bring their own child - but on here in the past nannies with their own children have commented that not all parents do reduce the wage.

Unless you live-in, National Minimum Wage rules will apply. NMW Guidance, Rates etc If you are aged 22+, NMW is currently £5.73 gross per hour.

As long as your employer is happy with you transporting children in your car, there is nothing stopping you from taking children out to places away from their home area. Nannies usually get paid mileage for using their own child but that is an agreement between you and your employer (up to 40p per mile can be claimed before tax implications - HMRC: Travel). Therefore as long as your employer agrees, you can take the children to places near where you live, you just can't provide care at your home for long periods (ideally don't do it at all, as your insurance may not be valid).
On wet days I often find places further away to visit - tomorrows plan if wet for example is to go to Gymnastics - around trip of 42 miles - and in the afternoon go to a SureStart drop-in which is a 20 mile round trip from where the children I nanny live.

We did a nannyshare when DS1 was little. Just in terms of logistics it makes life easier if all the share happens at one house - two high chairs, two cots, where does the double buggy live, etc. As a working mum I would recommend always trying to make your life as easy as you can. Personally, I would abandon the idea of care in two homes, but obviously it's your call.