Has anyone advertised a nanny or mother's help job with a gross yearly salary?

[HarrietTheSpy]

If so, how did you get on? Were the responses fewer or about the same as going for the net per hour route?

As a nanny, I have responded to adverts by a local nanny agency which listed jobs as Gross Annual Salary.
As a nanny, I would respond to jobs listed with salary indicated that way.

It seems like gross is becoming more common now. I saw a job advertised with a gross annual salary recently - it wouldn't stop me applying, but I did have to work out the hourly wage.

I did it but I admit that I added a sentance that said 'On a standard tax code this would equate to XXX net per week'
Haven't tried advertising only net per hour, so can't compare the response though.

i have no problem in responding to ads which state gross wage - as i then just work out what it is in nett

im curious

so for the average employer on here, who obv has a job with a gross wage - does that mean that each month your own pay varies slightly each month depending on tax etc?

i dont care weather its advertised as net OR gross, but insist gross is in my contract

All jobs up here are advertised gross anyways, so my job is paid gross.

i suppose some nannies want to feel more secure by always knowing that they will get xxx amount each week/month

but obv if tax goes up they win, but if tax goes down (yeah right) then they dont gain but the employer does

blondes... you say yeh right, but last april tax did go down!

so how much extra did you get nannyl a week/month?

Why is it so frequently advertised net?

Maybe because nannying is not salaried with no extra for overtime, as in some jobs with gross pay? actually that would just be reasons for per hour. oh actually some part-timers wouldn't have same gross hourly rate even if same take home.

or maybe easier for those many who do 'cash-in-hand'. A solicitor once showed me some legal book that said that the odd babysit can be expempt from tax legally so having a net wage means only one figure to think about.

Personally, automatic anual payrises within a single job e.g. in line with inflation, experience, professional development, employers' payrises (equivalent to company profits?- have i gone too far?) has just not been a reality. Therefore net has ensured me some stablitiy in case of tax/NI increases.

any other ideas?

tech we cant ask/do for overtime like you could in an office, but we do (well i do) get paid if i work past my contracted hours

apologies Jura; I'm working this out as I think about it.

for many many years most companies/freelancers have seen growth in business and profits which translate as pay increases, in addition to reflecting standard (stable?!) inflationary increases. Often rises are also given (even now) to reflect loyalty, experience and additional training. My experience is that I can partially buffer myself from loosing out on all these increases by ensuring I am paid net and therefore profiting from not having to pay increased tax/NI if this occurs.

..re. salaried thing: I know it is not universal but agreeing an overall gross salary can mean that overtime (although it may be ad hoc) is not paid. I had this in nursery work and previously in a large international company I worked for. A friend of mine also has it in retail management and another in teaching. I once (stupidly) agreed it as a nanny.

Agreeing a gross hourly rate does not solve this problem because if you go over a personal allowance/tax threshold within the year the take home pay would effectively reduce. slightly less relevant now though.

Does this make any more sense? if not i might give up

Overtime is overtime... when on a gross salary, when you work more hours than you contracted to work, then you get paid an additional amount for those additional hours worked. The contract may state in it the rate at which those additional hours are paid.

Nannies are not that likely to change tax band due to overtime payments. Most nannies are paid well below the 40% Tax rate starting threshold (currently £37,400 Gross per year - see Income Tax rates)

re profits- think this depends on company e.g. bonus might be instead/as well as part of profit sharing scheme that goes into all employees monthly wage packets. Perhaps shouldn't have included these particular rises but in theory nannies (who haven't changed jobs or got pay rises) will be hit by the decline in these now despite not profiting from them when most other employees in uk would have done for years now. might be wrong about validity of including this.

Of course I know situations differ but I have not always been a nanny and know many people who aren't. It does seem in this other world (including most/all? public sector) at least some anual pay rises are routinely allocated without employee opening negotiations with employer every single year- especially in friendly, non-businessy, family home environ.
what is a 'standard end of year rise'?

I agree with you jura about 'all the wrong reasons' but all the right reasons i.e. inflation/other don't seem to occur to some parents even if they receive such things from their employer. It would be nice if they did but doesn't seem reality(anecdotally). In this sense parents are not conventional employers and nannies not conventional employees and such unconventional pay stratergies perhaps reflect this.

Nannynick- hi. That's why i thought that point was less relevant since 10% change. However part-timers below personal allowance of ~£6000 might get into higher territory. Also tax bands can change just as tax rises/decreases change. Also if you are over 65 you have an increased allowance that can be compromised at about £20,000.

Though i admit this is no more or less affecting than in any other job.

In a contract with no overtime clause ('cos we won't need it' said parents) net per hour vs. gross per year, is preferable for me.
...yes, i know, i'm bitter about bad experience that i didn't see coming.