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Discuss everything related to paid childcare here, including childminders, nannies, nurseries and au pairs.

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inspected today -gutted

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underpaidandoverworked · 31/03/2009 21:08

inspected today - outstanding in 10 areas but only graded 'good' overall because was advised by cm coordinator only last wk that didnt have to do obs/assessments on child 5yrs6mths who i care for 4hrs a wk - yes,i have posted on this previously but you 'trust' your coordinator to know -and even last week i was reassured it wasnt needed. but guess what - you do. am really angry because i have obs/assessments in place for other children in the setting - even though written obs are apparently not a legal requirement, only a recommendation - and even if i'd been told yesterday i would have had time to put file together for the child as i have enough info in my own diary to be able to 'recall and reflect'. inspector commented i went above and beyond in most areas but that this would have to be reflected in my overall grading.

the parent whose child is at the 'centre' of this is gutted - in her words, 'for the sake of 4hrs, you've been downgraded', and she can't understand the logic any more than i can. i've only been caring for the child for a couple of months anyway so over 4hrs a wk havn't really had time to establish his 'baseline' yet anyway.

please, please don't misunderstand me and flame me on here - i know that to get 'good' is brilliant, but i just feel a little 'cheated' tonight - i trusted the advice i was given to then be told that advice has meant i don't meet the legal requirements of eyfs.

katymac, need your support, know your inspection was difficult. am intending to appeal but is it worth it . advice ladies............

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mumlove · 31/03/2009 21:50

Sending you lots of {{{{hugs}}}}.

SillyMillysMummy · 31/03/2009 21:50

oh god that sounds soooooooo unfair, i would definately appeal

KatyMac · 31/03/2009 21:51

I don't know what to say tbh

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MaureenMLove · 31/03/2009 22:11

That's ridiculous! When are OFsted officers actually going to start working from the same list of requirements!! I bet, if you had had a different officer, she would've given you Outstanding!

I would definately appeal against their grading. Get the parent of said child to comment if necessary, but at least make a fuss about this.

It's bloody ridiculous!

LesbianMummy1 · 31/03/2009 22:18

when is child's birthday?

looneytune · 31/03/2009 22:22

I agree, this is all crazy!!! I have a sibling of mindee starting after easter and guess what, her birthday IS 31st August so I'll be doing obs til her 6th birthday!!! I'm so fed up about this, why can't they just let it be that school takes over once they are at school full time??!!!

So sorry that what should be a very happy for doing so well type occasion, you're upset (rightly so) due to being given the wrong info! I'd also have something to say about the network co-ordinator giving you wrong info, that's not on!!

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underpaidandoverworked · 31/03/2009 22:26

know from 'a source' about another local cm who got 7 goods and 7 outstandings - but got outstanding overall, good for her but how does that work

dh doesnt know what to say tonight - he hardly seen me last few months weeks, he being really good, bless his little cotton socks.

don't get me wrong, inspector overall was really good - can't fault her on rest of inspection, but she was obviously in uncharted territory today, given she asked me if i was sure about childs dob,. hey ho - if it's going to happen to anyone it's going to happen to me - i should be used to it by now wine therapy starting to kick in - almost at point where don't care any more till tomorrow

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LesbianMummy1 · 31/03/2009 22:31

this is awful how far off the time you don't need to do obs is she? can you ring and explain situation? I believe they can't give you outstanding now because ofsted fault find and they use any fault to become a point to improve on for next time. I had same type of thing last year as inspector did not like one of the ncma child record forms everybody else i know uses same one and nobody was pulled up for them

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underpaidandoverworked · 31/03/2009 22:45

child will be 6 in october, already does everything should at '60 months' as stated in eyfs practice guidelines. just feel really 'sore' that have busted a gut over last 18 mths to get things in place - why do we bother am really tempted to have a bloody big bonfire in middle of field opposite my house tomorrow - within permitted hours according to council regulations of course - and give the whole lot up.

i just hope that when they review eyfs in 2010 - as is planned - they look at us as 'sole traders' who don't get paid for all the 'extras' we have to provide now i have just totted up my earnings for the last 12 months and i am nowhere near the personal allownace for paying tax, and that's before expenses . even inspector today admitted people don't appreciate us as a childcare 'professional' the way they should. my parents are amazed at what i have to fill in and the files i have . infact inspector today said 'i'm only here for a few hours ' when i presented her with all of the files we are now 'required' to have

anger not subsiding yet............

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LesbianMummy1 · 31/03/2009 22:49

write to ofsted stating she is way beyond eyfs and as you don't have to use a further curriculum you have not got file on her knock up a signed letter from her parents stating this was agreed etc and a date you would have discussed it it can't hurt to try is it 4 hours on one day you have her?

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underpaidandoverworked · 31/03/2009 22:50

parent in question has said she will provide any help she can to help me in appeal - she herself is quite happy for child at end of day to 'chill' and watch tv, as he has had his structured learning at school - maximum 20 mins after tea, if that

must go to bed soon and switch off........

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Numberfour · 01/04/2009 06:01

i have not read all the reponses, but it is bloody ridiculous. I would use stronger language were it not a CM post.....

appeal! i would - if i had the will to live after what you have been through.

for you......

you def deserve better.

HSMM · 01/04/2009 08:03

I don't do obs on school children at all! Shall I just put their files away when Ofsted come and pretend they never come here! No .... probably not. Best get my diaries out then

SammyK · 01/04/2009 08:04

Saw your post on my thread, so sorry and mad for you!

I know it doesn't help now, but alot of us on here have been told things and then told another so it isalways best to queery everything with Ofsted via email, then you have an official response in writing.

I would appeal, it sounds sounfair!

Well done on your outstanding gradings though. You should be reallly proud and treat yourself at the weekend.

Blondeshavemorefun · 01/04/2009 08:33

i dont understand all the inspections as i am not a cm but

sorry you only got good - it sounds as if it should be outstanding

hope you can appeal

JenniPenni · 01/04/2009 08:57

I would definately appeal. You were given contrary advice. As you got outstanding in so many areas it does seem very unfair

ayla99 · 01/04/2009 10:33

INCONSISTENT Ofsted again. My Inspector told me "we're not looking at those" when I tried to show her my obs on a child who is only here about 3 x 20 mins a week. I may not have many notes, but I thought it was an accomplishment considering he's always late and often brings his breakfast with him.

She said it was "good practice though" and then gave me a satisfactory.

saz73 · 01/04/2009 10:49

I was inspected this week and was graded good. My inspector hated the form I use (came from my local council on a EYFS course) and strongly advised against using it. I really don't know what to do now. She told me other councils have better hand outs/forms etc, and are easier to understand.

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underpaidandoverworked · 01/04/2009 12:12

i wish they would tell us - in plain english - exactly what we are supposed to be doing/filling in and make it consistent across the country . thanks for all the support . am going to appeal

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looneytune · 01/04/2009 13:28

Saz - which forms? I've typed up my own obs, don't remember getting any forms from the council??? Let me know so I know not to use them!

saz73 · 01/04/2009 13:35

When I attended the Introduction to EYFS they gave us a huge white binder with all forms and other stuff in. It's a form with 3 colums Headed Observation, Link to EYFS and Possible Next steps/consoidation etc. Inspector really did not like this form.

SillyMillysMummy · 01/04/2009 17:52

saz73 - lol i use a similar one, learning journeys, and my inspector loved it

no1childminder · 01/04/2009 18:24

hi so does this mean i have to do obs for 4.9 yr old girl even though she goes to school??? i thought once they start school they take over so we dont have to?

mumlove · 01/04/2009 18:35

no1 - yes, we have to do obs etc. on school aged children while they are in reception (following the EYFS) and make contact with the school to swap info, once the 1st of September has gone they are then in year 1 and we don't have to.

Numberfour · 01/04/2009 18:38

EYFS says that the child falls under that framework until August of the year in which they turn 5. So if Jonny Blooksem turns 5 on 1 September 2009, he falls within the EYFS framework until 31 August 2010.

no1childminder, the answer to your question is yes, I am afraid.

Sillymillysmummy, are you in Surrey?
I am and I quite like the Learning Journeys, though DS' preschool hates them,

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