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Am I obsessed by ofsted

34 replies

thebody · 19/02/2009 20:56

My dh thinks I am. I do daily diaries for all my mindees and put the little stickers by each papagraph to illustrate each area of learning, one copy for ofsted and one for the parents,
I have policies for every eventuality bar nuclear attack, and am expecting that to be the next edict.
i take more photos than a paparazzi chasing posh spice, i do fire drills with bemused 2 year olds in toe and carry out risk assessments in my own home....
I recently sent out self evaluation forms to my parents who one and all thought that was hilarious..
I earn 3 pounds an hour,wow,I have a training course booked in my precious spare time on food hygine... i am a qualified nurse and mum of 3 but still need telling how to bloody seperate cooked and unncooked meat....
my dh tells me to stuff ofsted and remember who actually pays me, he just says to aim for a satisfactory grade but I want outstanding... is it just me or are there any other cms out there who are similaly stressed.

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nomoreamover · 19/02/2009 21:04

ME TOO!!!!

DH tells me to forget outstanding and aim for satisfactory - I tell him that'll affect business - but the mums laugh their heads off at my latest paperwok piles. Not to mention some parents visibly nodding off half way through our "paper signing meeting" - I can't remember the last time I spent an entire evening or weekend with my own children without some ofsted spectre looming over me that I just have to complete.....tonight it was I had realised I hadn't done a written risk assessment for the downstairs toilet......oh the drama....

I am shattered and stressed to the max - but what other choice do we have? Announce to the world actually we are quite crap at our job? Or keep jumping through higher and higher hoops?................

thebody · 19/02/2009 22:23

thank you thank you, i was beginning to think it was just me.
why is this happening to normal
well adjusted women... like you I seem to spend so much time on paper work for, again.,.. 3 pound an hour!!!!
. I did less as a district nurse and my sister is a deputy head of a huge school in kent, sure she does lots of paperwork but earns squids more than me...
I do feel so resentful that i spend so much time and effot on other peoples children and less on my own!!!
My dh says that during an inspection i should be ballsy and demand at least a good grade if not outstanding,his veiw is that they are groping in the dark with EYFS as much as we are and if they are met by a ballsy cm who seems confident in herself then they wouldnt dare give any grade other than outstanding.... also offer rocky road cake....

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MaureenMLove · 19/02/2009 22:29

I've stopped CMing now, partly because of the hoops Ofsted wanted me to jump through, but I was a terrible CM on paper! I refused to do daily diaries, I refused to do a risk assessment on my house and refused to do lots of other things. I was, however, full for 10 years and each one of those mindees came from word of mouth! I was only ever a satisfactory cm, but I was a very happy one, with very happy mindees and parents. They thought I was outstanding and frankly, that's all that mattered to me!

vInTaGeVioLeT · 19/02/2009 22:55

i am a crappy c/m and don't bother with any of that crap i got satisfactory and that's fine by me.
i look after the mindees well, they have fun and go home happy and tired - job done.

having said all that i have started trying to do EYFS stuff but really haven't the foggiest what i'm s'possed to do so far i have a display folder per child and have printed two photo's of mindee on and filled the rest of a4 sheet with what they were doing and why - looked at EYFS folder got flustered and gave up!

Enthusia · 20/02/2009 07:13

I am a new childminder and this week has been a blur of paperwork and running around like a blue arse fly. I have just written a routine for toilet use and handwashing so that it doesn't seem 'chaotic' to an inspector, and i seem to think about everything as if an inspector were watching, it has made this week really stressful, like they have actually been here with me. Am going to have to calm down or I will fall down.

Shoshe · 20/02/2009 07:18

The body, i live on a Army Camp, i am a Soldiers wife, and all my parents are Soldiers.

I had to do a policy on.................. National Emergency!

Just in case all the parents were called out to it and I had to keep all the children with me!

So the nuclear attack one is not far off

Numberfour · 20/02/2009 07:21

i am the same about ofsted. plus i am doing EYPS and applying to become accredited.

my house looks like an explosion in a papermill / toy shop.

i agree: satisfactory is all that we need. after all it shows that we are meeting the standards.

but i would love to get outstanding how is that!!!

oh, and another thing, when i used to be in the legal property field, i NEVER did as much training as i do now.

mrspnut · 20/02/2009 07:27

I'm a parent who has used 5 different childminders over the years (4 for my oldest child and 1 for my youngest) and I can honestly say that I have never even looked at the Ofsted grade that they have.

My current childminder is not so hot on paperwork but is fantastic with the children and my daughter adores going to her.

If she only got a satisfactory then so be it, it's the standard of her care that matters not whether she can jump through Ofsted's hoops.

Numberfour · 20/02/2009 07:31

mrspnut, it is great to hear a parent's point of view. thanks for that! i must add that none of my parents have read my report either.

HSMM · 20/02/2009 08:02

My DH gets even more frustrated than I do about the amount of our house which is dedicated to paperwork and about how much printer ink I use for children's photos (hardly ever our own DD). New parents sometimes glance at my Ofsted report, but most of my work comes via word of mouth, or people I've met at toddlers, so they wouldn't care what my Ofsted report said. I did have to do a self assessment thing with the parents for a college course. The feedback was vague and that they were happy and didn't want me to do anything else. One parent asked to see draft copies of changed policies (!), but that was it. (That parent is on the committee at a pre school, so .....). I told my DH that the only incentive to get a good grade from Ofsted is that it might keep them away for longer

SillyMillysMummy · 20/02/2009 09:50

count me in there, dh told me that the minute we dont need the extra money he will force me to stop. My own dd is suffering because of all the extra work I need to do, I am newly registered so dont as yet have an ofsted grading BUT if I was lookng for a cm I would be more tempted to visit an oustanding one than any other (just like the school that i chose for dd) however my current parents didnt ask about and am sre dont care about what fsted say. As long as their kids are healthy and happy they really dont mind

nomoreamover · 20/02/2009 11:50

See when I used childminders for DS1 I was obssessed with what ofsted said about them .....so i guess I am assumign others will be the same - nice to hear that alot of parents aren't!

Shoshe - I laughed out loud at that one!!! Oh how funny!

My mum called in the other night when I had just said goodbye to charges - she said "god do you mind your house looking like a nursery"?.........

Now she mentions it......

popperdoodles · 20/02/2009 13:45

I refuse to let cm take over my life. The parents are happy, kids are happy and thriving and that is all that matters in my book. Had my ofsted last month and got "good" and was really chuffed. I keep everything simple. I do have a written risk assessment of my home and regular places I go/activities etc. I have a folder for each child with observations and photos in but it is just a few notes on what they ahve done not pages of writing. I do a weekly plan but it's just a rough guide of what things we might do on each day, what toys/activities I will get out.I do not document every single little thing we do. I always forget to take the camera out with me. I do daily dairies but only write in there what I think the parents would be interested to/want to hear. Where we have been and what we did in brief. Whether they ate well and how long they slept. Any funny things they said and any "wow" moments.
My house is not plastered in posters, I will not tolerate that. I have one wall in the kitchen which is covered in teh kids pictures and a few posters etc but that is it.

I am doing NVQ 3 at the moment too so got that to try and fit in aswell.

popperdoodles · 20/02/2009 13:54

I have only been minding since summer 08 and my dh already wants me to give up. He thinks it is just not worth all the hassle, he hates how it has taken over our house.

SillyMillysMummy · 20/02/2009 15:42

popperdoodles, i think its easy to say if you are already full, I dont think my parents are bothered either, but its the initial gettng the parents to you

underpaidandoverworked · 20/02/2009 17:19

My DH is going to have a big bonfire in the garden when I stop being CM - he reckons with all the crap paperwork I have now in the community centre house, it'll burn like the olympic torch!!! My parents just sign what I give them now, without reading it- they don't understand the need for all the policies/procedures, files for this that and the other (even the teachers and lecturers!).

I know my inspection will be end of March - couldn't be earlier as I have to have an operation next week - and keep waking up in the middle of the night thinking of something else todo!!! Estate agency was never this stressful and I didn't have to do anywhere near the training I do now - all unpaid of course because I love my job soooo much

nannynick · 20/02/2009 18:43

Why can't Ofsted just do PASS or FAIL - bit like the MOT test.

nomoreamover · 20/02/2009 18:46

nannynick - excellent idea!! Like the open university too

thebody · 20/02/2009 19:54

Its pretty much as I thought, what a crock.. Shoshe so funny... I like the MOT idea, thats really makes sense.

I havnt asked parents to sigh the attendance register for last week..OH NO!!!!! its all b......s really anyway. As others have said, if mindees and parents are happy then job done. I am going to tell the inspector my views though, its all much to much, and we are loosing some really great cms because of it. I had a call from my authority today to tell me that if I booked on yet another course i would get a reward of 50 quid.wop de f....n do!!!!

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mrspnut · 20/02/2009 20:12

When I first started using a childminder, they were checked by the under 8's office who were down the hall from my office so I knew who were the good CM's and who was to be avoided.

There were far fewer pointless pieces of paperwork and more time for having fun. If I wanted my child to be assessed every day then I would have sent them to a nursery.

southeastastra · 20/02/2009 20:14

my boss is obsessed with ofsted, it makes me laugh.

silly organisations, like ofwat and offcom.

and they change the rules so many times. it's ridiculous.

Ripeberry · 20/02/2009 20:25

I'm just starting out so at my first inspection i'm not expecting more than satisfactory, but i would like to have good!
Outstanding is great but you have to stay like it forever and if you ever got downgraded you would be well and trully gutted .
As long as the children and the parents are happy and Ofsted are satisfied then i'll be happy.
Can't wait to start some of the free courses our council have sent me details about, especially the one about EYFS!

thebody · 21/02/2009 16:20

On this topic there is a lovely playgroup in our village, run by older ladies for years, my ds went at 2 and he is now 19, so you can see how experienced thay are, its affiliated to the church and the ladies running it are church goers but religion isnt pushed, just a really nice atmosphere. As a new young mum it was my lifeline and I made lots of friends and we all shared duties and jobs.

I saw the lady who runs it today and she is being forced to give up. Ofsted say they have to them to go on a eyfs course and they all feel that they are too old to take it all on board...

they get 20 pounds a day so dont do it for the money and noone else has come forward to take over.. so it will close. absolutly disgusting imo..

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purepurple · 22/02/2009 09:12

while I do sympathise with the ladies running the playgroup, the body, I have been there, you have to realise that a lot has changed in the last 20 years. It is important that people working with children have updated their skills and knowledge if our children are to benefit, whuch is the aim of the EYFS and Every Child Matters.

PAPERFREEK · 22/02/2009 11:19

I have to agree with purepurple. When I started as a childminder many years ago, all I had to do was give my details to the Council and they came and checked stairgates and fireguard. I didnt even have to do a first aid course for ages. I had 5 children to look after within weeks and had no idea what to do with them. I used to put reins on or have them in pushchairs and take them out most of the day. Another minder I knew back then had the same story - before she took up minding she had no experience of looking after other people's kids and she kept hers in a playroom all day long.

I dread to think what would have happened in those days if I had had a safeguarding issue or a bad accident with a child, I was lucky.

I do agree we usually have a natural instinct for how to care for children - but in this day and age being sued or accused by anyone for anything is a real possibility and we have to cover ourselves by having good policies and procedures and up to date knowledge through courses. If heaven forbid we had to go to court for anything we would have a good defense if all the above is in place and agreed with the parents.

With the observations and pictures issue, I do think if you keep these to a minimum, only recording the real 'wow' moments, its not too bad. I have a lot of kids (15) at the moment, but I only have to do obs on 4 of them as these are the only under 5's I have. I do find giving parents a pic and a sentence or two about what the child's learned and what I am going to do next is quicker than having to stand at the door at home time reliving the day for interested mums and dads.

The parents take this sheet home, and write their comments on it, and what they want their child to do, (their ideas are really helpful) then they give it me back next day.

As for risk assessments, they too can be done once for most outings, as the outing is the same every time (going on school pick-up etc) and for longer trips it is useful to think about what could happen beforehand to ensure your prepared. I can't see a problem there.

For risk assessment of the home, I just have a monthly tick sheet, where first thing in the morning I go round the house just checking things like there are plug covers on, there is no water lying in outdoor equipment after rainfall, etc. Takes mins to complete and has quite often thrown up something that needs attending to, like one day my older son took the fire exit key to school because he'd lost his, and he hadn't replaced it (wont do it now, it has a big laminated label on it- too big to fit in his pocket, saying fire key do not remove).

I like to think of what I do as a proper profession, and if I worked in an office etc. I would expect to go on courses and gain promotion, which is the way I look at the ofsted gradings, and the rewards are in increased income, the more professional you come over to parents, the more work you get and the more money you earn. I have never had a vacancy or had to advertise.

Parents are so much more genned up now on what to look for and where to get information, most of them have the internet and know how to access information on childminders. All my parents looked at my report.

Children should come first and foremost and the ones I look after do, the paperwork is just one way in which I demonstrate my ability to offer the best possible care.

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