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ChasingButterflies · 05/02/2009 18:50

I could really do with some advice.

Ds (15mo) has been cared for by a wonderful cm. But her own ds has just been diagnosed with a serious illness and she's had to stop working to look after him. Though she wants to take our ds back at some point - and this is what dp and I want too - she can't say when that might be. That's totally fair, of course her priority has to be her ds.

Cm has suggested a stopgap solution - to help us out and I guess to also make it easier for her to pick up ds again once she's able to (we are talking a few months rather than a few weeks). Cm's mum and sister have both worked as nursery nurses/cms themselves and have offered to share caring for ds. Ds knows them both (and really loves cm's mum in particular). BUT neither of them are currently registered as cms - though they have been in the past. I think they both have CRB checks as regular visitors to our cm's house.

We're really stuck. We like them all and would like to make this work. It doesn't help that childcare is very oversubscribed in our area; few cms have immediate vacancies and the nurseries have a six-month wait for a viewing! We also don't want to abandon our lovely cm who is having a terrible time. We're aware that when she is ready to start work again it might not be easy to find new mindees who can be flexible around her son's ongoing treatment (we would be).

What would be the implications of trying this out? I'm thinking there must be issues around pay/tax/insurance and so on.

Please don't flame me - I know unregistered childcare is not generally thought to be a good thing, but this is a sad situation and everyone is well intentioned.

Thank you

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tankie · 05/02/2009 18:53

Could they look after DS at your house? Then there would be no problem.

ChasingButterflies · 05/02/2009 19:03

Is that because they would then be nannies?
I think the suggestion is that it would be at their home(s) but it's something we could ask about.
Would we then need to pay tax etc? I'd want to do it properly. Though perhaps the money involved wouldn't be enough for tax to kick in...

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tankie · 05/02/2009 19:05

I think if it's in their homes they would be childminders and need to register, and in your home a nanny so no need to register. If each nanny earns under a certain amount (£100 or so? Not sure on specifics) then I don't think you would pay tax.

Tbh (and I know this is not a popular mumsnet opinion) I would probably just use them as unregistered CMs for a few months...

SammyK · 05/02/2009 20:25

Please do a search on unregistered childminders in the archives.

I would not use unregistered care for so many reasons, and I think CM is being unprofessional (and IMO selfish) to suggest it. It is illegal for her relatives to do, you won't get assistance with childcare costs if you need them, and are not covered in the case of anything terrible happening, I could go on and on there are so many reasons.

I can understand you finding it tempting but I wouldn't personally if I were you.

ChasingButterflies · 05/02/2009 20:59

Thanks Sammy. I do know it's not considered a good idea and I want to do it properly - which is why I'm wondering if perhaps them caring for ds in my house would be do-able. I don't want anyone to be breaking the law, just trying to see if there is any way this could be above board.

Cm is just trying to help us, really - I think she feels bad about leaving us without childcare (though not her fault and we are not cross with her at all).

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Marney · 05/02/2009 21:06

Just found this and as an unregistered childminder with insurance with morton michel and NVQ3 in childcare just want to point out there are okay people out there not registered ,I stopped being registered following a very unpleasant inspection Im not doing anything ilegal it isnt necessary to be registered to mind children over 8.If Imind anyone under 8 they cannot be childminded for more than 2 hours a day.The only concern would be if I had a parent who needed to claim for childcare.Im fortunate the parents all know im not registered now and they are able to pay themselves and i have three8 year olds

Marney · 05/02/2009 21:17

I should have said its not ilegal for anyone to mind a child for 2 hours, so in a home where you know a number of people you like and trust who maybe have childcare experience there wouldnt be a problem really .They are each responsible for two hours afterall anyone atall can babysit or mind children in an evening.

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