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New Nanny with lots of questions, please help!!!!

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alig227 · 15/01/2009 15:35

Hi, I've been working in a nursery for a while now and have decided to become a nanny. I have a family who are interested in employing me but have no idea what to charge them per hour! What is acceptable? I live in Canterbury in Kent.
Any suggestions welcome. Thanks

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nannynick · 15/01/2009 15:44

The family decides salary, you then negotiate it from there.
As its your first nanny job, I'd say £6 gross per hour upwards, so £300+ gross per week.
Work out what you need to earn, then try to get a little higher.
Also look at job ads to see what local rates are being offered.

nannynick · 15/01/2009 16:44

NannyJob: Adverts for Live-Out Full Time Nanny, Kent
This ad for a live-out nanny in Horsmonden has good detail level. They are offering £7-£10 gross per hour.
Make sure you understand about Gross and Net pay. Many nanny jobs are still advertised as Net Per Week, whereas your nursery job will be Gross per Month I expect. Also nannies can rarely be self-employed (especially if only working for one family) so you need to check that your new employer knows that they need to operate PAYE (to deduct your Tax and NI, plus pay Employers NI).

alig227 · 15/01/2009 21:18

Thank you, I'm still finding all of this really confusing, i didnt realise there would be so many different things to consider!!
Also, I will be caring for three children under the age of five, one of them at primary school age. Should I be charging more per hour due to the number of children that I am looking for and charge per child per hour, or is that just for child minders?

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Melinda76 · 15/01/2009 21:26

Thats just for childminders, the benefit for the family of having a nanny is that they pay one sum no matter how many children the nanny looks after. Def remember to check out any money you discuss and work out gross and nett pay, have been caught out by that many a time!!

Blondeshavemorefun · 15/01/2009 21:43

guess depends on how much exp you have

£6gross seems a bit low to me, though canterbury isnt paid as well as my part of kent

its per family and not child, and an hourly rate

what have the family said about money?

alig227 · 16/01/2009 09:15

The family havent really said a lot about money, they asked me a price per hour but i'm not too sure what price to suggest as I havent nannied before! They live in london and are moving down to Canterbury at the end of this month and have said they they're looking to move close to my area and have offered me £200 to secure me as their nanny. Is this too good to be true???

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lindseyfox · 16/01/2009 12:43

As your first nannt job maybe £5 net an hr is suitable for your area and experience. so for a 50 hr week £250 net (so thats what you would take home)

AtheneNoctua · 16/01/2009 12:59

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I think you are getting low quotes on here for a live-out position. If you were live-in and this was your first job, I would think say £200 a week is in the right ball park. But, the accomodation and board that comes with live-in is worth a whole lot more than some £50 per week.

This is a live-out position, right?

Regarding the number of children, the trade off usually comes in how many other duties you are expected to do rather than the hourly rate. So, if you have three kids to look after, you are going to have less time for cooking. Whereas if you were looking after a baby who sleeps a lot, you be asked to do quite a bit more tidying and cooking (for the baby).

I would put £7 out there and make it clear that you aren't really sure what the going rate is and ask them what they think and say it is negotiable. See how they react. If they say , oh no, we can only pay £6, you can always take that until you have enough experience to go get a higher paid job. If you stay in this job for a year or two, you can definitely move up to better pay then.

Melinda76 · 16/01/2009 14:01

I don't think you are quoting too low - sorry. For a first Nanny job Nannynick seems quite right. My first position I was working a 60 hour week with 2 children and taking home 200 pounds nett. Even now in Essex I am only on just above minimum wage and am 32 with many years experience! The Nanny wages are so low here and I'm constantly rejected from positions because someone else will undercut my wage requirements. My advice would be too ask them what sort of figure they were thinking of and see if that's acceptable to you. But don't price yourself too high because you could end up with no job at all - unfortunately!

Blondeshavemorefun · 16/01/2009 18:02

melinda - cant beleive you work for just over min wage esp if you are 32 and have years of exp

£5phnett is far to low

i would see what family suggest and go from there

HarrietTheSpy · 16/01/2009 18:43

I think this family have sussed that you're not too sure about the money...and not sure that's a great thing tbh. In your shoes, I would say that you're doing a bit of research into rates and will be in touch. Just sound really professional, don't let them think you're a soft touch. Just come in with the £7 rate, they aren't going to tell you to go away.

alig227 · 17/01/2009 16:32

yeah, this is for a live out position. Is £7 per hour nett an acceptable first offer?? The lady who I have been emailing says that she will be employing a cleaner as well as me, so I dont think there will be many household duties to take care of.

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Blondeshavemorefun · 17/01/2009 16:35

£7 sounds fine to me

good luck

nannynick · 17/01/2009 16:46

You can but try. To me £7 net sounds high for first nanny job, £7 gross more possible based on local job ads in your area. You have to start the negotiation somewhere.
Still think it odd that the parents are not telling you what salary they are offering.

NewAmazingBeginning · 17/01/2009 16:56

Employers normally say what they will pay as you work for them, not yourself.

I think it seems like they are seeing that they can get away with tbh and 3 kids under 5 is a lot.

AtheneNoctua · 17/01/2009 17:27

Agree with Nick. When I said £7, I meant gross.

And I think 3 kids (even with a cleaner) can still produce a whole lot of household chores. More tidying and organising and running errands, not so much scrubbing and acuuming -- that would be for the cleaner.

amandathepanda · 17/01/2009 21:43

Why do people want to pay so little to the woman who is caring for their children?

iheartdusty · 17/01/2009 21:53

because it comes out of taxed income, amanda

in order to pay a nanny £880 net a month I had to earn about £1600 to cover her tax and both employer's and employee's national insurance.

Then there was £1200 extra a year for the car insurance, £250 for accountant to deal with her payroll, and food etc when she was at work.

iheartdusty · 17/01/2009 21:56

sorry, actually it was more, I had to earn about £1900 which was then taxed, and then I paid her tax and 2 x National Insurance contribs, for her to end up with £880 p/m in her hand.

AtheneNoctua · 18/01/2009 08:49

Why do people think that the amount of love one has for her children should warrant higher pay for the employee??? I find that line of questioning very offensive.

happychappy · 18/01/2009 08:59

Why not £7 if she has worked in a nursery or some years, She has relevant experience so its not her first childcare job. Yes there is a difference but not that much of a difference to justify so a low rate of pay.

BoffinMum · 18/01/2009 09:07

Amandathepanda, I think that was an incredibly naive question in this day and age. What worries me whenever I read these threads is that there still seem to be a lot of nannies out there who fail to understand the difference between gross and net salaries, and have truly bizarre notions of what the rest of the world achieves in take home pay. Fortunately we have Nannynick and others to work towards modernising people's understanding of the real life position.

Blondeshavemorefun · 18/01/2009 11:12

it may be her first nanny job but she does have exp with children

yes employers do state the wage they want to pay, but i also say a rate

there is no point me going for an interview for a job that pays £8nett or £12 gross ( or whatever it works out as) as I cant live on that!!!

so i tell agencies to only send me for interviews that will pay my hourly rate

i dont think amandathepanda meant any offense with her comment

lets put it a different way - most on here prob work and most of your salary goes on childcare

if you had a better/very well paid job, and could afford to pay your nanny more - would you?

nannynick · 18/01/2009 12:19

"I've been working in a nursery for a while now and have decided to become a nanny." - That could mean a variety of things, from working for a few months, to working for many years. It tells us nothing useful - nothing about how senior the person is within the nursery, what age ranges they have worked with, or how much support they need from colleagues.
Being a nanny I feel is quite different to working in a nursery. I'm sure some of us regulars on here could post a list of all the differences - but I really can't be bothered.
The major difference in my view is that in the nursery environment there are more adults around so when things get tough, there are other adults to talk with, get support from, even to cover for a while if someone needs a break. Nannies are on their own... they have no backup, no support, nothing. If things start going wrong, they need to be able to handle things, need to use a common sense approach and adapt quickly to the situation. While the child's parents may be at the end of a phone, they could be some hours travelling distance away, they may not be contactable for periods of time etc. A nanny has to cope with whatever arises, whereas in a nursery setting there are other adults to help out.

Nurseries often pay staff very low wages, typically NMW (some may be on Development rate). Therefore any salary above that is a payrise. If the person is aged 22 or above, then NMW is currently £5.73. If they were offered a job at £6, then that is just under a 5% rise. If offered a job at £7, then that is a little over a 22% rise. I think most of us would be happy with a 22% payrise when changing jobs - sure some people may want more than that, but I don't feel that 22% is that bad.

If a nanny worked 50 hours per week and was paid £7 gross per hour, then that's £18200 gross per year. Employers NI is another £1633 roughly, meaning that the employer has to find just under £20,000 from their own take home pay... and this is before any other expenses. You can do the calculations yourself with the help of ListenToTaxman and E-Gismos.

Will parents who earn large amounts pay more for childcare? Perhaps they will to a certain extent but my view is that parents who have higher incomes also tend to have higher expenses - high travel to work costs (due to working in a city for example), a bigger house (often meaning a bigger mortgage), a more luxury car (often still on finance), private school fees, higher pension contributions, savings/investments for their children. Yes they could cut down on some costs perhaps, but why should they? They earn the money so decide how they wish to spend that.
If that means they pay their nanny an average wage, but buy the nanny a nice Birthday/Xmas present, give a 'good service' bonus, don't restrict the nanny in terms of weekly mileage/weekly kitty, provide the nanny with a nice place to work in, plentiful food supply, then so be it... the nanny has nice working conditions and a job they like.

AtheneNoctua · 18/01/2009 12:40

at Boffin mum.

If there was a quote of the week competition I would nominate this sentence: "Fortunately we have Nannynick and others to work towards modernising people's understanding of the real life position. "