How easy is it for a nanny to become OFSTED registered and would any nanny be willing to do this?

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I just wanted to know if most nannies would or if its difficult. I would be better off with a nanny if I could claim tax credits and vouchers etc but if not it works out too expensive.
Also, if I needed a nanny full time to live out for a 10mth old and part time 3yo how much would be reasonable in Dorset?

More and more nannies are becoming registered. There is criteria that needs to be met - training requirements - which some people may not want to do, but there will be others who already have the necessary training and thus becoming registered is quite easy.
Not sure about the Tax Credits side of things, I have a thread about that at present. However Childcare Vouchers provided by employer is certainly a scheme that is working quite well.

What hours do you need? When you say full-time, what do you mean... 40 hours, 50 hours, 60 hours?
I would expect that an Ofsted Registered Nanny would expect a Gross salary of £80-£120 per 10-hour day. To that you will need to add Employers NI plus daily expenses (activities, mileage etc.)

Example Job near Poole - which is paying £1213 Gross per month for a 35 hour working week.
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i recieved my registration this week. applied on 3rd september so it did take w while

(i was on the old scheme befire and am now on the ofstead one)

I see no reason why a nanny wouldnt do it

they DO have to be qualified though (some arnt)
and have a current 1st aid certificate and nanny insurance

the last 2 are easy to get!

That rate seems ok. Iwould need 8am until 5pm mon to fri. Not needed during my holidays but still paid.
What duties are acceptable to the nanny?

Thanks nannyL, I know it takes a while because I have been a CM since having dd1. I think mine took about 3mths.

basically duties that involve the children and the childrens things

so childrens beds and laundry
childrens cooking and making their meals etc (and tidying up the kitchen after themselves when they have finished)
sometimes labelling school uniform
organising childrens bedroom and playroom

Most nannies i know are happy to load stuff into the dishwasher and put dishwasher on when full / unload it when its done if it so happens to get full, need unloading while they are working
Also most of us dont mind nipping to the shops for "milk", or posting a letter or running small errands etc

Oh thats really good I wouldn't expect them to do any more than I do iyswim and I spend every morning out with dds. DD1 will be at pre-school every am and finish at 1pm. dd2 I would like to go to the places she normally goes on the days she usually goes i.e. mon toddler group, tues soft play, wed where ever, thursday music, friday swim. Would that be to restrictive for a nanny? or would they be happy to go to these if paid for? I don't expect her to go out in the afternoon as my dd2 sleeps 12-2pm ish and dd1 sleeps 130-3ish?

ps I don't mean that every week, just an example iyswim. Open to days out anywhere.

Since we all eat as a family would it be unreasonable to ask them to turn the oven on for a casserole and prep veg for the meal in the evening, while dds are asleep?

none of those things are unreasonable

i certainly wouldnt have a problem with it

what i do is when i make a meal such as casserole / lasagne / cottage pie etc i always make a big batch and offer it to my bosses... about 75% of the time they choose to eat it for there tea... otherwise it goes in the freezer

I also do lots of baking so my bosses get lots of cakes / biscuits to eat too

as for dictating where the children go every day is by no means unreasonable... BUT i personally wouldnt like to be dictated to as to where i go every single day... I have a lot of nanny friends and we do meet up for plays at each others houses / toddler groups etc, so if ever i took another job I would want to be able to keep in contact with my local nanny friends. (Not every day ofcourse (although at the moment i see my nanny friends almost every day))... If I came for an interview i would say can I on one day see my cicle of nanny friends (we take turns to vist each others homes etc)... of course you could choose not to employ me based on that.

I am very happy to go along to specific parent dictated toddler groups / swimming lessons or whatever, so long as at least once a week I can have some adult interaction too

(If you had a nanny who wasnt established in ypur area and didnt know anyone she might be happy to go where you say every single day!)

Oh I agree nannyL, obviously that would be fine once or twice a week. I just don't want the dcs to lose touch with their friends by going to completely seperate places than they usually go, but am more than happy for them to meet new ones

all the things sound fun ( and some mb dont like a socaible nanny, so you sound as if you do) but you say you wouldnt want your nanny to go out in the afternoon as they sleep

therefore if you have organised every am for her, she might get a bit pissed off that she cant do her own thing

i personally wouldnt want to have my week organised ofr me, but i do all of the things you said, but i decide when iykwim

nannies gen do anything to do with children, ie their washing, keeping bedroom/playroom tidy

i personally would also get the 2 children to sleep at same time, so she gets a rest and can come on MN

and maybe go out after they have slept

as nannyl says adult interaction is ver important to stop us nannies from going insane

I would only want them to do the 3 set things per week and the other days her own thing iyswim. DD1 may not need a PM sleep when she gets to 3 but can't gaurantee it although she will go earlier at say 1245. So both dcs could be back up for 1430 ish. Obviously as the LO gets older and over 1yr I would expect her to have lunch later and sleep similar to her sister. DD2 sleeps in the pram though so hopefully once dd1 doesn't need so much sleep it will be better.
I have no probs with MN during a well deserved break I did while I CMd if dcs were asleep
In fairness it would be an easy job because it would be 1 10mth old from 9-1pm as dd1 in pre-school, so only dd2 to take out. I don't expect laundry to be done, just do dishes after breakfast/lunch. I don't expect bedrooms to be tidied/cleaned for dds. Literally finish getting them dressed in a morning if I have been rushing, normally dressed. No bathing to be done as we do it at night. It will just be feed/change and play with baby and drop off/pick up dd1 from school. Prep evening meal for us, no actual cooking, except maybe turn the oven on.

Usually dd1 only needs about 1.5hrs and can manage on that so both dds would be up by 1430ish. No probs with her going out after that as she could put the oven on before going out for a casserole or something.(she doesn't make it btw, I do it!)

I am very sociable and do definately want a sociable nanny! I am fairly relaxed but do like dcs to have routine as well. i.e. I wouldn't expect more and more as time went on unless they got bored LOL and wanted extra things to do I don't run a pristine immaculate house so will not be upset if she wants to do painting and craft stuff etc. I don't mind where the dcs go so long as they enjoy it.

you sound like a lovely employer to work for

you sound very understanding and hope that you find a good nanny

You do need to decide - who pays for the Ofsted reg, first aid cert, and nanny insurance. But as basically there is some benefit to a Nanny getting this reg (it will become more and more common going foward) I think it is fair to split some of the costs (rather than boss paying it ALL). I am waiting for mine to come through (ie for my nanny) and in fact this has reminded me to ring them with a query.

Best of luck

I think generally the split for paying for registration is currently that nanny pays for Insurance, First Aid and any Training needed. Employer pays registration fee (by giving nanny the amount as a salary bonus).

Over the next couple of years that may well change to the nanny paying all fees, as when employers are no longer willing to take on an un-registered nanny, then all nannies will get registered.
Next year (2009) there is another additional cost - for ISA registration. Again it's starting as a voluntary scheme, but could easily become something parents insist that a nanny has.

Thanks all. I would be happy to pay for the requirements to register as it would save me a fortune in the long run
I think I will be a good employer as its in everyones best interest that everyone is happy iyswim i.e. nanny unfairly treated = miserable nanny=miserable dcs = miserable me .

i wouldnt want to pay for extra training - i have the NNEB which i did 17 years ago and I have never had a problem in getting a job and never been asked if i would become registered

but understand as years go on, that may chnage in my next job - but as i am staying with my lovely family till they are OAP'S -who knows

i think Nick said that the NNEB didnt cover the common core skills that if my employer wanted me to be registered that i would have to do the course

which is about £100/150 - plus would have to be done during weektime so would need time off

as the employers are the only ones to benifit (apart nannies might not get a job in a few years) then i feel that they should pay all the fees - apart from nanny insurance which ALL nannies as professionals should have anyway!!