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HELP!!!! HOW MUCH SHOULD I CHARGE?????

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CHERBEAR1 · 12/08/2008 20:13

HI, I LIVE IN THE MIDLANDS JSU ON THE OUT SKIRTS OF LEICESTER AND COVENTRY. I AM IN THE PROCESS OF SETTING UP A SMALL CHILDCARE BUSINESS, COMPROMISING OF NANNYING AND BABYSITTING. I NEED TO RESEARCH HOW MUCH PARENTS ARE WILLING TO PAY PER CHILD PER HOUR. CONSIDERING I WILL HAVE PUBLIC LIABILITY, CAR INSUANCE. ONE TO ONE SUPERVISION, TAKE TO PLAY GROUPS ECT.
APPRECIATE ANY RESPONSE.
THANX CHER

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CHERBEAR1 · 14/08/2008 18:11

no its not dodgy, I spoke to my council and they informed me to do it this way.(and ofsted)
because my family didnt know they had to pay my tax and NI and because i am hoping to work for other people aswell as them i thought it would be easier to do it this way. i am classed as a homecarer with the inland revenue.
i have been researching my markert and asking people and thier is people out thier that need the kind of services i intend to other.

sorry if all this sounds puzzling to you. at the moment i am working to the princess trust so i know i am not going mad!!

has anyone read the: ofsted voluntary register guidelines.

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CHERBEAR1 · 14/08/2008 18:14

yes your right you cannot have more than two famillies in ones famillies home, at one time. ( if this makes sense!)

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lindseyfox · 14/08/2008 18:28

cherbear i know it sounds like people are having a go at you but your rates are sky high. £15 an hr for 4 children is way too high esp for your limited quals and experience.

I charge £10 an hr whether 1 or 4 children and in my opinion think parents are more likely to choose someone like myself who is very qualified and very experienced at my rates than yourself.

nannynick · 14/08/2008 19:35

By 'my council' I assume you mean you have spoken with someone from either CIS or EYDCP. Either way, they tend not to know a great deal about nannies (at least that has been my experience over the past 10 or so years). The vOCR is very new to them (only something they legally have anything to do with as of Sept 2008). Previously they dealt with childminder training, and giving out information about nurseries, pre-schools.

Please don't rely on information from your local council CIS/EYDCP. They could well be wrong, so do cross reference it with the Childcare Act 2006 and associated SI's and Ofsted guidance documents.

Have HMRC given you any information about restrictions to you being self-employed as a homecarer? For example, if they permit you to work for the same family for more than 6-months or not? What have you received from HMRC in writing?

We are all puzzled by this, because over the past many years, we have all tried similar things and come up with the same problems - the major one being the SE/Employed Status query. The other major one being the definition Ofsted use for what they consider is a childminder.

With regard to caring for children from multiple families, at one home (should you be thinking of doing that... don't think you are, though I am confused by your pricing structure), then read The Childcare (Exemptions from Registration) Order 2008

In that document it says:
~~ Begin Quote ~~
Exempt childminding
3.?(1) The circumstances referred to in articles 2(1) and 2(3) are where a person makes the provision(b)?
(a) 2006 c.21.
(b) Early years childminding and later years childminding being defined in sections 96(4) and (8) of the Act respectively as early years or later years provision on domestic premises for reward.
2
(a) for?
(i) a child or children for particular parents, wholly or mainly in the home of the
parents, or
(ii) a child or children for particular parents (?the first parents?) and, in addition, for a child or children for different parents (?the second parents?), wholly or mainly in the home of the first parents or the second parents or in both homes;
(b) for a particular child for two hours or less per day; or
(c) only between 6pm and 2am.
~~ End Quote ~~

Or put a simpler way... you are exempt if you care for a children at the their (the children's) own home, or if you care for children from one family, plus children from another family, at one or both of the families homes.
You are also exempt if you only work between 6pm and 2am (such as being a babysitter).

Note: I am not a lawyer, so the above is purely how I read this legislation. Please seek professional legal advise if you require it.

nannynick · 14/08/2008 19:39

I'm in Surrey and some people feel that my fees are high, at £10 per hour (which is regardless of the number of children involved).
I therefore also feel that you are unlikely to get £15 per hour, caring for 4 children.
Nanny services are not priced per-child, they are priced per family and I think you may face difficulties if you decide to price per-child.

What feedback have you got from locals so far regarding cost. Are you finding that some want the service to cost very little, while others are willing to pay more.

CHERBEAR1 · 14/08/2008 21:36

sorry i dont mean to seem mardy, just hearing so much different information, and just trying to get things sorted!!!!!
i am very greatful of all the information that people are giving me and taking it into account. i also believe my prices are quite high. the whole point of asking the question was to try and think of a reasonable rate to charge famillies(parents),therefore i will bin the rates per child and stick to a standard hourly rate.

yes nannynick, i am getting mixed responses.

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ilovethecake · 15/08/2008 00:00

Hi all, i am slightly confused like many reading your thread, just one main question i want to ask you "If you are planning to look after multiple children from multiple families which of your families will open their house to you and your army of children?" Not many employers i know would like their house used as a nursery!!!

imananny · 15/08/2008 09:03

and dont forget that which ever house you use, you cant have more than 2 famillies at one time - and previding that the parents agree to you having other children there, ie a share

think you are going to have to decide whether to be a cm ,register and then can have lots of different children, but obv in your own house

or just be a temp nanny, work for one family at a time, at their house and possibly be out of work sometimes (though when I temped, I was lucky enough to always be in work), or find a perm job

CHERBEAR1 · 16/08/2008 16:20

i think peeps are abit confused, sorry if it does sound confusing,
i am aiming at temp nanny. i wasnt planning on having anymore than one familly at a time unless both famillies no each other and want the shared care this would be mainly for babysitting.
maybe a family say on a tuesday afternoon, and another family on a friday i.e. mothers who needs time to do the weekly shop without taking the children etc. (depending on the amount of children that is).

i already have a family who need some extra help on a monday afternoon through word of mouth through the family who i already nanny for. which is GREAT!

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nannynick · 16/08/2008 17:01

I would avoid childminder registration if you can. Easier keeping it at nanny registration and if two parents who know each other want you to nanny for their children at the same time, then that is possible.

imananny · 16/08/2008 17:37

but a temp nanny cant plan work,ie to have a family every friday (while mum shops etc) as then it is a perm job, and she should pay your tax and NI - or are you planning to do cash in hand?

if you have work on a regular monday with a regular family, then this isnt a temp job,and you are employed by her - thus making her pay your tax and ni

I still dont understand your thoughts on payment

1 child: 7.50
2 children: 10.00
3 children: 12.50
4+ children 15:00

and if you are only planning to have one family, then you have to charge the average going rate in your area ie 6-10nett - you WILL *NOT^ get £15

why do you want to be a temp nanny, would it not be much easier to find a perm job?

imananny · 16/08/2008 17:37

but a temp nanny cant plan work,ie to have a family every friday (while mum shops etc) as then it is a perm job, and she should pay your tax and NI - or are you planning to do cash in hand?

if you have work on a regular monday with a regular family, then this isnt a temp job,and you are employed by her - thus making her pay your tax and ni

I still dont understand your thoughts on payment

1 child: 7.50
2 children: 10.00
3 children: 12.50
4+ children 15:00

and if you are only planning to have one family, then you have to charge the average going rate in your area ie 6-10nett - you WILL *NOT^ get £15

why do you want to be a temp nanny, would it not be much easier to find a perm job?

lindseyfox · 16/08/2008 20:44

there are plety of permnanent nanny jobs going in the leicestershire area, some good agencies too.

CHERBEAR1 · 16/08/2008 22:50

yes i would rather have a permanent job, though i have committed to the family i work with and i really love the job.
i am going to charge 8 pound an hour whether 1 child or 4.

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imananny · 17/08/2008 11:12

as much as you may like your monday job, you havent been there long and if there are plenty of 5days jobs going, like lindsey says,then you would be silly not to go for them, and leave your one day

also £8 a hpur,if you are se,will be gross, and you will have to sort out your own tax and ni from it at end of tax year

lindseyfox · 19/08/2008 19:13

hello cherbear, east midlands nanny agency have a job at the moment with 2 children near hinckley hrs negotiable salary upto £10 an hr. May be worth contacting them.

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