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PinkChick · 02/08/2008 08:40

Approx £10-£11'000?

trying to do online, theyve invalidated my password as i hadnt used it and trying to find out how much i can spend out of tax savings on new stuff???

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MrsFluffleHasAWuffle · 04/08/2008 20:03

That,s this year btw - and we are all still working out last years, which was £5225

sory I am confusing everyone now aren't I

navyeyelasH · 04/08/2008 20:42

but does it matter if you are not married? Does the allowance depend on that at all?

katymac I still don't get it. Think I'm just being stupid! Need to get a book on accounting or something methinks!

MrVibrating · 05/08/2008 03:19

navyeyelasH you are right about the personal allowances and the mess over the 10% tax band, but I think there is quite a lot of confusing information on this thread so I thought I would dive in and clarify a few things.

The personal allowance in 2007/8 was £5,225. This is the same whether you are single or married, unless you are over 73 .

The personal allowance in 2008/9 was going to be £5,435 so people with a 'standard' tax code now have 543L.

Due to the 10% tax band cock-up, the personal allowance in 2008/9 is being increased to £6,035. So in September your tax code should change to 603L.

If you have a job with benefits in kind (company car, BUPA, some types of pension scheme), or you have tax under or overpaid from previous years then your tax code might be very different from this. This is because HMRC use the tax code to collect tax from you (or give some back if necessary) on these benefits. But because this can only be done on an estimated basis, you will probably do a tax return at the end of the year to sort everything out.

The tax code is used only by employers to work out how much tax to hold back from your pay (and later hand over to HMRC), so it doesn't have any effect on your CM affairs (although the personal allowance on which it is based does of course, as you will see below).

Now for the difficult bit...

KatyMac I think you have confused things a little by taking the personal allowance off your total income and then taking off your expenses. How it actually works is this:

Your total income is everything you receive (or are due to receive) from your business (less only VAT if your business is large enough so that you charge VAT).

You pay income tax on your profit, which is your total income less business expenses. For a business that is run from your own home, it can be difficult to work out what is a business expense and what is actually your own domestic expenses. Rather than try and work out what is and what is not a business expense yourself, if you are a Childminder you should use the NCMA guide. Some of the items in the guide are obvious 'direct' expenses, such as the cost of paint and play materials for your mindees. But some are general allowances, particularly the 10% of total income which is supposed to cover wear and tear and replacement of items in the home used for childminding (KatyMac mentions the 10%, but not what it is for - this is important because it means you can't include as a business expense specific items you replace, like new kitchen lino because the kids have trashed it).

So if your total income is £10,000 and your expenses are £4,500 your profit will be £5,500.

The next step is to add up all your income (part time or temporary jobs, interest on savings etc.) This will give you your total taxable income, and now this is where the personal allowance comes in. If your taxable income is less than the personal allowance you pay no tax. In my example, £5,500 is less than the £6,035 personal allowance so when you do your tax return in September 2009 there will be nothing to pay.

navyeyelasH · 05/08/2008 17:15

Brill thanks for the info MrVibrating. So how is it that some CM's pay no tax - do they not make any money beyond their tax free allowance?

PinkChick · 05/08/2008 20:33

thats what i was thinking too??..how can we write off £10'000???

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Shoshe · 05/08/2008 20:49

PC I find a lot of mine goes on mileage, I have to do a lot of mileage.

Obviously NOT 10,000 tho

KatyMac · 06/08/2008 07:43

So have you taken off the 0% wear & tear?

KatyMac · 06/08/2008 07:44

10% even

PinkChick · 06/08/2008 08:46

do you know what..!..STUPIDLY..i AHVENT..i just totted up my expenses sheets and put that figure down!..it did include utilities but not the 10 wear and tear!..good job i couldnt get logged on online really isnt it!

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KatyMac · 06/08/2008 09:23

How do you do food? Do you charge the parents? or put it through your accounts?

PinkChick · 06/08/2008 09:26

i deduct everything i use for cm'ing from my shopping list, i was told to estimate £2 per day per child, but i spend way more than this!, plus toilettries, cleaning stuff etc

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jillyj · 06/08/2008 09:30

noooooooooooooooo pinkchick, way too little for food. i was told by tax advisor from tax office 6 years ago to put £5.00 per day for food per child. change it, quick lol

KatyMac · 06/08/2008 09:34

Babies I put through £1 a day

Under 5's
BF 0.80
Snack 0.25
Lunch 1.30
Snack 0.25
Tea 1.30
Total 3.90

Over fives

BF 1.00
Snack 0.50
Lunch 1.75
snack 0.50
Tea 1.75
Total 5.50
Plus I put through half of toiletries (hand wash ect) all wipes (dd is 10) half all cleaning stuff

PinkChick · 06/08/2008 13:22

ooooh..seems i am a bit wet behind the ears!..better change my paperwork!..thanks girls

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PinkChick · 26/08/2008 09:53

HI, just getting sorted finally, so what tax code do i actually use when im calculating 07/08 income???????

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