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starlady · 21/07/2008 11:48

Au pair has just started with us from Poland yesterday aged 20. She's staying with my mum who lives close by at the moment. My current nanny who we've had for over 3 years (also Polish)but much older , experienced and is lookin after her.

She's young, a bit tearful. And taking regular fag breaks, although she stated she didn't smoke!

Also, she was clearly distressed she didn't have skype access all the time.

What do I do?? Any ideas?

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imananny · 23/07/2008 20:21

cheeky bitch!!

she is here to work for you, and to play/look after your children - you should of INSISTED she came with you

thought i would have let your 5yr play on his own/with his friends on swings - they can push each other - my nearly 3 charge pushes me - poor him and stay and talked to your mate

too shy and got her period - whatever will she use as an excuse tomorrow?? Thats before you fire her, and sure she WONT want to work then

I would have also taken ciggeretes from her,as you asked her to stop!!

glad you are getting rid of her, she sounds more of a hinderence than a help, just sorry it cost you in money

good luck with search for new one

starlady · 23/07/2008 20:32

Thanks Imananny - the reason i had to keep an eye is ds and mate are escape artists extraordinaire, and I'm really rubbish at spotting them. The park was obviously teeming today.

But yep, i do feel so much better for making the decision!

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Desiderata · 23/07/2008 20:43

Nice to see the Gestapo are alive and kicking in Middle England!

imananny · 23/07/2008 20:45

children are good at vansihing!!!

let us know how tomorrow goes xx

jura · 23/07/2008 22:11

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Simply · 23/07/2008 22:27

I'm just about off to bed but thought I'd post quickly. My ap had to have what I wanted her to do spelt out to her very clearly otherwise she regarded it as a request she could argue against (and boy, could she argue for ages about something really quite petty) and she found that I'd sometimes give in and let her have her own way for the sake of peace and quiet. I learnt the hard way that I needed to be firmer or else she'd walk all over me and once or twice I wished she'd just go but I'd never have dismissed her as it was partly my fault for not making it clear that I expected her to do whatever it was I'd asked her to without argument or refusal i.e. the washing up once when there were only about a dozen things but I wanted them clean for the next meal. Perhaps your ap feels this way - that your requests can be turned down by her?

Yes, aps are supposed to do a couple of nights babysitting but on their working days only, not their two completely free days off. It depends when these days are for your ap this week. If they are Sat and Sun then she's quite entitled to not babysit on those days and not be expected to.

I hope that helps. It isn't easy having an ap, I know.

starlady · 23/07/2008 22:34

The babysitting was more a niggle, not a biggie. Though the info I gleaned from au pair websites was that they would do one night weekend sitting. Wouldn't have expected it every week. Academic now, as I don't think I'll bother with another AP.

TBH, it was just the way she told me after everything else ...

I found her having skype sex when I went to check my mac today. She was meant to be sorting laundry. I'd popped out, and her bf was sat in skype window unclad!! Just saw top half, thank god.

Anyway, AP used my nanny's phone to txt her bf as she'd run out of credit. She didn't delete the message she sent, so obviously Nanny read it. Nanny revealed to me after I'd already made my decision that ap was telling him her relative in UK was going to help her find another job if she decided against this one.

Thank f*. I don't have to feel guilty.

But I will post after I've broken the news to her.

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JenniPenni · 23/07/2008 22:40

Oh dear, you are well rid of her imo.
I hope you find the help you need soon

catepilarr · 23/07/2008 22:48

hope the sacking wont be too upsetting for you! she sounds awful! you ask her to come to the park whilst on duty and she says she doesnt feel like it?!
on the other hand if she is to have weekends off, why should she be asking whether you are going to need her??
Madlentileater - i understood how you ment it with the cultural thing. non-smoking means non-smoking. even for what you call eastern europians.

jura · 23/07/2008 22:59

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blueskythinker · 23/07/2008 22:59

Starlady,
Sorry for your woes, and hope you sort something out soon.

Skype sex has made me giggle a lot . So long as she wasn't naked too! hee hee

imananny · 24/07/2008 08:43

OMG at Skype sex and half naked men !!!!

obv i use my mb lappy during the day, with her permission at passwords etc, but NEVER for sex stuff - do that at home

glad she is thinking about leaving, as you said, makes you feel less guilty about sacking her

waits for update how it went

catepilarr · 24/07/2008 11:20

ad 'My ap had to have what I wanted her to do spelt out to her very clearly otherwise she regarded it as a request she could argue against '

this could be a cultural thing. i dont mean the arguing - thats a different story. but in english you go very polite about how you ask people to do something. so it might come across as a request/ question. germans are known for beeing much more straightforward so if they hear something like would you mind doing the dishes or would you like to do the hoovering instead of do the washing up please it may lead to misunderstanding.

obviously than there are people who just dont get what needs doing at all or want to get away with doing as little as possible. i ven find that it is a kind of sport for some people, trying to trick others and not do things properly just for pleasure of 'simplifying' their lives.

starlady · 24/07/2008 19:53

Done it.

She was very tearful, and I feel like Cruella.

However, what happened today reinforced my decision. She came in this morning, and I sat her down and said 'this is what's happening today. It's my niece's birthday, and you're going to take them to the party in a taxi this afternoon.' I was working.

She nodded and said yes, fine.

We later had a discussion, and I said there was going to be Lithuainian kids at the party - near from where she comes from. She seemed interested.

When the time got closer, I noted she still had her slippers on. When I asked if she was going to change she said no, she was more comfortable like this.

The taxi arrived, and I said 'off you go,' and she looked gobsmacked,

"Me? Go to the party?" She hadn't taken it in at all. I was firm so she couldn't wriggle out of it.

It was in a blinkin taxi, to a local address. My sister drove her back.

Anyway, I couldn't get much work done becaue I was so stressed.

She came back, I sat her down and explained my reasons (initial loss of trust cos of smoking, her over-reliance on internet, and reluctance to interact), telling her she was absolutely lovely (she is sweet in many ways), but I just didn't feel she was ready to be an au pair until her confidence/ understanding of English improved. I also said that although she was with us in body, she wasn't in spirit, as she's so lovesick over her internet boyfriend - who she has never met.

What i realise now is she wasn't really interested in becoming an au pair to meet new people, get experience in childcare or broaden her experience. She just wants to go to China to meet this guy. I do worry for her. She's very naive.

Obviously I'm paying her for this week, and I'm going to give her an extra £50, and pay for her travel to her cousins.

She was quite critical of my nanny, who she said wasn;'t helpful enough. Thing is, my nanny is 30, and doesn't really want to do childcare, so has no reason to be horrid to her.

Although au pair spent at least 2 hours a day on skype and net, she said it wasn't enough. She as upset at having no TV in her room - but wasn't interested in going in the living room and watching TV with my mum and nanny.

Oh dear. I do feel for her. I'm a bit dippy myself, I would have found going away very tough. The difference is, even at 20 I was self-aware enough to realise I would have made a crap au pair and didn't attempt it.

Have written her a nice reference regarding her cleaning. Naturally I didn't mention childcare bit.

She didn't want my husband to give her a lift, and has walked to my mums. Hope she'll be OK ...

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starlady · 24/07/2008 19:55

I should add obviously I'll make sure she gets to her cousins OK. I'm not going to just abandon her.

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imananny · 24/07/2008 21:57

well done for doing the deed!!

hands glass of wine

you HAVE made the right decidion, as her attitude to looking/caring for children,just doesnt seem to be there

she wants to go to china and meet a man (her so called boyfriend) who she has never met?

what will you do now?

HarrietTheSpy · 24/07/2008 22:02

Whatever language difficulties she might have (re you telling her she was going to the party), what was it she thought she was here to do? Bizarre woman, glad it's sorted out for you.

starlady · 24/07/2008 22:17

Yes - and her cousin's coming to pick her up tomorow, so I don't have to worry about her safety.

As for childcare, well, I work freelance, so it might mean cutting down a bit. My old nanny can do a bit while she's job-hunting. Longterm, I might look into cm.

Ds were sweet, and said ap will be glad to be going back to her family because she missed them so badly. They felt upset at her tears.

I might go down and pour that glass of wine for real.

Thanks for everyone's advice. I really appreciated it.

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