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help, woman's hour has scared me...

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emskaboo · 25/05/2008 11:45

into thinking I won't be able to find childminder for my ds when I return to work in January '09 because childminders are leaving the profession in droves because of the early years nonsense. My ds will be 1 and given all the reading I've done recently (oh foolish me), biddulph, oliver james etc I really don't want a nursery. I'm in Brighton...well Hove actually

Reassurance needed, pleease!

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KatyMac · 25/05/2008 12:11

& I thought I was lovely

MABS · 25/05/2008 12:14

Deepdene in Hove is a lovely nursery ems

EnormousChangesAtTheLastMinute · 25/05/2008 12:19

You've got lots of time to find a great childminder. it took me a while but v v happy with cm we have now.
As for cm crisis - i didn't hear item but unlikely it is 'droves'. It only takes something to happen three times for journalists to call it a 'trend'. Check out the webpage for the item - see if they mention figures. You can always get in touch with child minders association if you worried about numbers. They might be able to put you in touch with their local rep who will be able to put you in the picture locally and who might well be a good contact when it comes to chosing a cm. Ours is local organiser and is fab.
Good luck!

KatyMac · 25/05/2008 12:22

There are lots of good ones out there honest........

PuppyDogTails · 25/05/2008 12:27

DS and I both love the nursery he's at.

Sorry, I'm not turning this into a childminder vs nursery debate, honest!! Just didn't want you to worry that you won't find childcare that you're happy with.

nannynick · 25/05/2008 12:42

I don't think many people like CHANGE. Back in 2001 (I think) Ofsted took over from local authorities with regard to childcare registration. Back then, I expect there would have been stories floating around saying that it would mean a decline in the number of childcare providers. Don't know if that is right or not - I don't have the figures - but I expect that SOME childcarers did leave, while others joined. I expect that EYFS will see the same thing happen - some will leave, others will join.

Statistics from Ofsted show that recently there is a decline in childminders. See here for March 2008 and December 2007 figures. I have not analysed all available data, so I don't know if this is a general trend or not.

KatyMac · 25/05/2008 12:46

I recently registered 2 childminders

I think you will find the childminders who stay are well qualified and trained, and committed t providing childcare at a high standard

southernbelle77 · 25/05/2008 13:42

There are not many childminders in my area who are going to give up. I'm sure there will be a few, but within the network, I do not know of any. Hopefully it will be the same for you.

ayla99 · 25/05/2008 14:32

Nick is right. I became a childminder in 2001 and some childminders did panic at the unknown, and some did leave. But many experienced childminders aren't going to be pushed out of doing the job we love and will tackle each challenge head on. I don't know anyone who is leaving because of the EYFS. The EYFS has already been revised due to concerns we raised - they wanted to stop us from administering non-prescribed medicines, for example. Our objections were heard and the word "prescribed" has been removed.

I think the childminder on womans hour represents a very small minority. I was disappointed that she doesn't want to be a professional. Many childminders consider ourselves to be professional. I don't think being a professional stops you from being an "auntie" figure from a child's point of view. However, her fears are common amongst childminders. This has not been helped by the fact that some childminders have not been able to access training and some training across the country has been extremely uninformative and delivered by people who know nothing of childminding and had insufficient knowledge of the EYFS.

The Womens Hour got a few things wrong anyway. The food hygiene law has been in place since Jan 06 and isn't being brought in with EYFS. The requirement to record accidents/incidents is already in place. Thats in the childminders' own interest as much as anything else - not having these records would mean you don't have any defence against accusations like all your mindees having a bruise because you were running round with a wooden spoon. Working alone makes you vulnerable.

There is a lot of confusion about whats expected from childminders in terms of observations and assessments. The FAQ on teachernet.gov.uk says we dont HAVE to have written policies and procedures or write observations. But I feel it will be very difficult to prove to Ofsted that we meet the requirements of EYFS if we don't have any written evidence.

Childminders working alone cannot take time out to write notes as they have noone to handover responsibility for supervising activities, behaviour management, help in wc etc to. So what is being suggested is to keep a notebook in your pocket, postits round the room etc to make the odd note as things happen. Which leaves giving up time in the evening or weekend to type/write it up in a format suitable to give to parents and show Ofsted.

I see this as an extension of the diary system I've already got. But I'm not going to go overboard with the notes at the expense of the quality of care I provide. Parents choose childminders because they want a loving, family home-from-home experience for their child. We're often viewed as an extended family member. Most parents don't want school-type reports and rigid curriculums. But when you look at the EYFS closely, I don't think thats what its all about. Its not making children reach impossible targets. Its about moving away from a class/group plan and taking a good look at each child as an individual. Understanding what they are doing, how they are learning and how the practitioner can support each child's needs. And thats exactly what every childminder I know is doing already.

Its the getting it down on paper that presents the challenge.

KatyMac · 25/05/2008 14:35

I still think what I said was right

Based on a 5 hr week with little down time - out of hours is the only time this paperwork can be done

The paperwork thing in 'Who Minds' - the NCMA's magazine was farsical imo

KatyMac · 25/05/2008 14:36

Sorry that was 50 hr week......oh to work 5hrs

emskaboo · 25/05/2008 18:50

Thank you all so much, sorry for the significant delay in posting, I'm v useless at the mo', would lie and say it was mummy brain but I was always this flakey!

MABS, thanks for that, funnily enough I was going to look there as a 'if I can't find a cm reserve' because someone else said that they were good.

Ayla99; thanks for that, it was v comprehensive and you are so right about family home from home experience, that's exactly why I want a childminder, well that and my happy memories about my childminder Iris when I was little who was fab!

Katy Mac, and everyone else, thank you too, that soothing balm of reassurance was what I needed, I'm going to go and eat hob nobs now and be calm!

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ShinyPinkShoes · 25/05/2008 18:54

Emskaboo I know of a fabulous childminder in Brighton.

I just tried to CAT you her details but apparently you don't accept them!

poppy34 · 25/05/2008 20:44

emskaboo -didn't hear article but echo comments re journalist making a trend out of something small.. After all they'd hardly get a story out of cm doing ok and no real problems there . sorry but think there is a real element of lazy journo re some of these stories (pet late pregnancy rant along with the spate of DM stories about she is too fat/thin to be pregnant..)

KatyMac · 25/05/2008 20:47

At least I wasn't edited - but I think they could have made more of me

emskaboo · 26/05/2008 09:46

Shiny pink shoes, wow thanks, I didn't know I didn't CAT, I'll sort that out now!

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ShinyPinkShoes · 26/05/2008 15:51

Have just sent you a CAT

Blueskythinker · 26/05/2008 21:39

Katy,
I heard you and you sounded great

KatyMac · 27/05/2008 07:51
Grin
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