Full time nanny costs SE London

[Summerbaby333]

Hi - would anyone mind sharing their rates for a basically full time (4 days/c 45 hours a week) live out nanny in London? We're southeast if that makes any difference.

Agency has suggested typically £14-15/hour net (so not including NI, pension etc). That comes to somewhere between £55-60k a year - closer to £60k I assume with the upcoming NI hikes. These are generally experienced nannies with c 15 years experience in various forms of childcare.

I wanted to sanity check this sounded right? Also how do we deal with this with the nanny - do we propose a rate and negotiate or ask what she’s expecting (and again negotiate)? Obviously agencies have a vested interest in higher rates since they take a cut of the overall pay. I’d also assume nannies with more years may demand more.

thanks in advance!!

Never discuss nett. Always gross or you will get stung

as with anything hourly rate varies due to age , experience , quals and location

you decide as the employer what you want to pay

£16/20g sounds about right for experience

nwoc can be a cheaper option. A reduced rate to being their own child of 10/20%

or a nanny share so 2 famillies sharing nanny on the same day

Sounds about right - friends in North London are paying £21ph gross. You'll pay a couple of £ above that in employer contributions to pension and NI. Always talk in terms of gross or annual salary, it gets confusing otherwise!

I'm a nanny in SW London - have been a childminder/nanny for 14 years and I'm on £21.50 gross per hour for a full time role.

Most jobs around here are advertised at £15/16/17 net which for a full time role will be £20-23 gross per hour. Definitely agree a gross salary so you don't get any nasty surprises with costs.

Thank you!! And sorry just to be clear then - gross pay includes tax but NOT pension or NI, right? (Any other costs I’ve missed..?)

Gross includes their NI/pension contributions, but not the ones you'll need to make as an employer. So they'll lose a small amount to those, and you'll pay an employer contribution on both, too.

It's worth going through a proper payroll agency - there are some designed for nanny employers I think.

Nannytax have a calculator on their website which you can use to get an idea of costs for different salaries and it also gives the total amount including all employer costs.

As above you will pay extra employers ni and pension unless they opt out but that’s rare

@nannynickMay be able to give you some basic figures , if you say decided on £20g so at 45hrs be £900 gross a week plus employers ni on top which whacks it up - £21g would £945g a week plus employers ni

always said unfair you have to pay twice

tax companies like nannypaye - paye for nannies - nanny wage - pay my nanny - tax my nanny

sooooooo many about

Nannytax is the main one. Think like Heinz bakes beans. Usually more costly 😂 but does the same

Thank you this is so helpful. So say I paid £20 gross.. I then add employer NI and pension contribution on top. NI is fixed but how do I decide what employer pension contribution to pay them? What’s the norm?

Agencies have always over quoted in my experience, we advertised at 16ph/gross for 5 days of 10 hours per day and got loads of very well qualified applicants. It's 3% pension and 13% employer's NI on top of that. We also pay a £1,500 christmas bonus and expenses usually amount to about £200 per month for things related to the children.

It’s def an employers
market. Lots of nannies. Not so many what I call good jobs about

so yes start at the lower end if you felt that’s right

you could always give a pay rise 6mths later

16ph gross in London? Seems a lot lower than the figures above - I don’t want to offend but equally I don’t want to be a numpty..! I did get the impression a lot of people are keen for a full time job so the ball should be more in our court.

The agency’s suggested figures were £20-22ph gross I think.

It's about £42k which is more than most teachers and way more than all nursery workers so it's pretty good. We found agencies were saying we'd have to pay about £55k but we advertised on nanny jobs at that level and got great applicants.

Guess you advertise it at say £16/17g. If no applicants you like you increase

4 days are like gold dust

So I’ve started by using an agency. I gave them our hours, expectations etc but didn’t actually give them a definite salary figure (or even a range). They’ve sent me a bunch of interested applicants to meet with - so I guess these people are interested without even knowing what rate I’m offering. Now I’m a bit confused and realise I probably should’ve specified a rate range but the agency never asked! I guess they’re expecting me to have a range in mind and discuss this with the applicants. But I just feel on the back foot in case our expectations are wildly mismatched or if we get attached to a nanny and then they push up the expected price.

That is a weird way of doing it

agency has sent all that want £20/22g if that’s what they quoted

look at the cvs. Pick maybe 3/4 and ask agenxy what their rates are

but if that is out of your budget and fair enough then need to tell agency

Thank you again for the advice on this thread, really helpful. One other question I have - I assumed the nanny agency would make sure that the applicants had an enhanced DBS check, up to date pediatric first aid, up to date safeguarding training, and recent references (either written or contact details). Maybe a silly assumption in retrospect..! Now that I’m getting to grips with this, I realise I keep coming across gaps in the initial CVs / calls I am being sent - eg spoke to one nanny who told me she didn’t have first aid, another who didn’t have any written references from the past 10 years etc. Which is making me a bit nervous.

Am I wrong in thinking a nanny agency should have checked all of these qualifications, and also be willing to share them with me for my comfort? (Obviously I’m going to follow up and be clear these are non negotiable - appreciate I hadn’t expressly asked, not experienced with this!.) Also - how do I actually check the enhanced DBS, first aid and safeguarding certificates? Would the agency / nanny have certificates for all of these?

Yes all nannies should have bare minimum

first aid
dbs
pli
ref

ideally quals thi some say exp is better

both is ideal

they should send you copies of anything you ask for

I have certificates of all you ask for

37.5 hrs a week over 3 days equates to £42 k (excluding food /trips etc) including HMRC and insurance for me in home counties. £17 ph gross.
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