Nanny- multiple children + payrise?

[Themumdoc]

Hi. I’m looking for some advice from any nannies or anyone who has a nanny!
We employ a wonderful live- out nanny for our now 2 year old who works 3 days pw. She started just over a year ago on £13ph and after one year (just a few months ago) we increased this to £16ph. This rise took into account cost of living/ inflation and local going rates.
I am due to go back to work soon after having my second child and so she will obviously be looking after 2 children instead of 1. Our plan was to review pay annually. My return to work will be around 6m after her pay increase. Should this be raised further to take into consideration the fact she is now looking after 2? We felt the pay rise was fairly generous and took this into account but I’m not sure if it’ll be expected to be reviewed again when I return to work.
Thanks in advance

I would look at the going rate for two kids and see how yours compares. If you think your rate is fair then leave it and look at it again in a year. If you really like your nanny and don’t want the risk of her moving on I would make sure your pay is competitive. Possibly add a pound an hour?

Blimey that’s cheap. Round my way I can’t get a cleaner for less than £17 an hour, it’s £19 an hour if you’re a kids swimming teacher at the local pool.

Has she been looking after the 2yo while you have been at home on maternity leave? Will you be leaving her alone with both children?

looking after a toddler and a baby is a big ask. I’d expect to pay £25 an hour.

sigh….. but we are happy to pay our doctors much less of an hourly rate.

@Somewhereovertherainbowweighapie both domestic cleaners and swimming teachers are self employed so have to consider insurance/holiday pay. Usually nannies are employees with the benefits that entails. The nannies I know work 10-12 hour days, so 3 days isn’t far off the equivalent to many people full time.

@Themumdoc if you’ve taken into consideration the number of wards the nanny has to care for already and they’re not due an annual review then I don’t think there’s any need to raise their pay, £16 isn’t terrible but may be a little on the low end for an experienced nanny (I’ve not employed one, just know some. They work hard, long hours and are generally paid well. Pay seems to be based on experience/years in the game more than the number of wards though).

I’d expect a pay rise if my workload doubled so yes, she should get a pay rise.

@PurBal I am not in the UK so don’t know what the going rate is. As op said it was average for the area.

A Nanny is not like a Childminder who is paid per child. The reason to go for a Nanny is the fact that you pay the same regardless of how many children, so no I wouldnt expect a pay rise ( although being offered on is nice)

I think that a good pay rise.

I'd review again next year.

Have a look on childcare.co.uk to get an idea of a nanny’s rate in your area. In East London, an experienced nanny could expect to be paid £18p/hr for a newborn and a toddler.

£25 an hour for a toddler and a baby 😂😂😂😂

that is ridiculous, so that poster clearly has no idea of the going rate for that. It’s completely standard for a nanny to look after more than one child.

You don’t say where in the country you are OP. I work in south in London and am on £17.50gph, for two toddlers.

I would probably give a small bonus instead for when the nanny starts with the two children , and then wait, bump it up slightly at the next annual review.

Thank you for all your replies. (Most) have been very helpful!
We’re based around Manchester. The rate of pay is based on the upper end of local going rates for her level of experience so I’m not worried about this and certainly know she won’t be expecting £25 PH! That’s more than my hourly rate 😂
She had sole charge of my DD while I was working for 8m before I went on Mat leave and that has continued (I have my DS while she continues with my DD on her work days to keep continuity) but when I return she will have sole charge of both.
@Skinnermarink that’s very useful to know thank you.
It sounds like either a bonus or a small ‘bump’ of a pound an hour would be reasonable. I’m aware we’ll be doubling our tax free childcare so we were also debating just passing this on to her and increasing her wage in line with that.
thanks again all 😊

And just to clarify- We fully employ her so pay is through PAYE, we pay pension etc etc so she’s not self employed and she has employment benefits with that.
My DS will be 12 months ish when I return to work and my DD will be 2 yr 8m.

I think continue to review annually. Explain she is doing a wonderful job this was reflected in the significant payrise in feb (or whenever) which was knocking on for 25%.

Ask her if there is anything else she needs (cash kitty, memberships to kids places etc) and leave her to it. Id give her an one of baby bonus (in cash)

Id also starting going out for small errands and leaving her with both for short periods. (But thats just me maybe)

I am a nanny of 8 + years. I would not expect a pay rise for a new baby being added to my work load. The benefit of a nanny when you have multiple children is that it's one hourly cost. You sound like fabulous, considerate employers who respect your nanny and want her to know you value her. A small bonus would be gladly received I think and a very nice way to show your appreciation. I wish all employers were like this!

£16ph for a toddler and baby is normal.

Central London.

I've always had a payrise when sibling came along

Tho you have just given her a fab payrise but is now in line with average nannies

16gph is a good rate and sure she was very happy getting £30 a day rise if doing 8/6

You sound a nice fair employer

Nanny here - no need to raise the pay for a second child from same family.
Your rate sounds good unless in London , which may be higher .

That is a very good rate anyway ,if net.

Most of the professional nannies I know and the ones on mn discuss salaries in gross to be like any other professions

So £16gross is fine