Nanny salaries - omigod, is it really this much now??

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For some reason, i decided to have a look at the website of imperial nannies, eden nannies, and peekaboo. These are agencies i have used in the past. I am not in search of a new nanny - currently have a live-in one (has been with us 15 months and she is LOVELY!) but just wanting to be nosey to see what are the going rates at the moment.
I am slightly shocked to see the LIVE-IN RATES to be more like £400-450 pw NET. With some of them, it is only for 1 baby - like a 13 month old!
Am i the only one shocked by this? I pay my nanny £320 net pw for 2 kids. I am now paranoid she will chance upon some of this and think we grossly underpay her which i don't think we do?!? (some of these agencies keep her in their email distribution list as she was registered with them before).
ELEUSIS, i need perspective!!!

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hi there page62

I always point people in the direction of the nannytax survey

www.nannytax.co.uk/news/wagestable07.html - seems that the average rate has gone up quite a bit recently (bit of a pain as time for our nanny's salary review shortly), but not as much as indicated on the agency websites

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How many hours does your nanny work?

I pay £300 /wk in Northern Ireland for 40 hr week

£355 net -- up 8% is the average in 2007.....oh dear. her pay is below average.
must speak to DH about it i suppose!

greyskythinker
quite long hours - she starts at 8am and then finishes about 630pm M-F.....
my god, it keeps getting more and more expensive!!!

I think those hours are quite normal actually, particularly for live in (ours lives out and works 8.15 to 6.45, so pretty much the same). am sure eleusis will be along shortly to reassure you on this point.

That salary survey, gives a weekly rate, how many hours a week would that be based on do people think?

according to one of the agencies, about what page62 says

8 until 6.30 live out
8 until 7 live in, plus two nights babysitting

www.kiwioznannies.co.uk/Parents-Information/General-Information-Parents/Standard-hours.html

Ooh that is interesting legalalien. I am used to basing pt salary calculations on 40hrs....

and that's without including a mobile telephone!

(was referring to eleusis' shock that no-one else provided their nanny with a mobile, actually, but if you're feeling guilty )

jura, thanks for that reassurance!
she definitely seems happy with us and all that i just don't want her to feel hard done by if i am (unknowingly) paying an overblown rate.
I seem to recall now however that the agency i got her from listed her salary aspirate as £350 net but when i offered her £300 in the beginning she didn't even bat an eyelid and accepted it.
Am sure these agencies have a hand in driving these prices up.

I can't believe eleusis still hasn't shown up here....the mention of agencies normally perks her ears up!

Im on £300 net live-in (seperate flat) and £20 for food. thats for 55 hours and two nights babysitting. seems normal to me, have been offered a lot less from jobs. £300 is what I quoted at any interview they wernt sure- would have taken £250 if the job had less hours!

The nanny tax newsletter speculated that because hardly any nannies wanted to live in, the pay had to go up to make it attractive.

And because so many mums work p/t, if you did offer a FT live out sole charge role, you might find you were the only one offering this, and able to get someone relatively cheaply. . We will be testing this theory later in the year, when PG nanny moves north to be nearer her mum.

I need to vent on this, after my recent round of interviewing.

Page 62, have no idea what's going on wit hthe salaries but, I think the issue is that nanny wages are quoted in hourly rates. When you do this, £8 gross, for example, looks quite modest. Roll it in to an yearly salary with tax and NI and it's relatively eye popping for an average family.

I interviewed a girl who wanted £10 net, which equates to getting on for £40K per year.

I'll probably get shot down for this, but something is wrong here. Who is really paying these salaries? Anyone? Is it all cash in hand? Still a lot nonetheless.

My husband is a teacher and a recent article in the TES noted that teacher's salaries (main scale, couple of years experience) in most parts of the country worked out around £8 p/h gross.

Nursery nurses - if you look at recruitment ads - are on aroudn £15K, more senior ones maybe up to £23K. At the higher end, this is about in ilne with a teacher's salary outside of London with a couple of years experience. I think it is reasonable to expect to pay a nanny something like this, rather than the £40K my hopeful wanted.

I am currently stressing about what to do about childcare in Jan next year when back from maternity leave - I'm going to go down teh route Jura seems to have taken and quote a gross annual wage and see what happens. I htink it will sound a bit less mean - deceitful? Possibly. But I can only pay what I can...

In a recent discussion with an agency, I was told that a live-out nanny with my level of qualifications and experience would get £22k to £26k gross per year (roughly £320 to £380 net per week). This is in East Berkshire / West Surrey area.

Ours live out 360 net/wk for 40 hrs over 4 days. Outer London burbs. £450 net sounds like an awful lot to me for live in?
When is she due for a salary review-could you give her a small increase then if you are happy with her? The expense is a shocker isn't it? however ours is very lovely

I think it really depends on how old and how much experience a nanny has. I get about £35,000 a year with bonuses and a separate flat with bills paid but have been a nanny for a long time so can charge that amount. I've done jobs that haven't been so well paid and worked my way up so to speak. You certainly don't need to pay a huge amount and yes the agencies do push wages up.

quick hijack - how do you get someone for those long hours - isn't is illegal to have someone work for more than 44 hours a week (averaged over an 11 week period)

always wondered this but its too boring to start a thread about it

There are exceptions for domestic employees. Also with breaks etc ...

So, in short, no.

Nannyj
I've you've got loads of experience, that is one thing. It's similar to a teacher as well, to be honest.

I'm talking about girls with no nanny or nursery qualifications, who have done some babysitting or nannied for maybe a year and asking for a salary in the mid thirties.

I totally agree with you. I know of a nanny who i wouldn't leave any child with and she earns just as much as me if not more when doing more hours and it really gets on my nerves. I just think live in salaries in London have gone through the roof in the last 2 years or so, whilst live out have kind of stayed the same.

The thing is as well when you look on the agency websites all the jobs being advertised at £400+ a week are that price for a reason and generally we have to put up with a huge amount of crap (trust me i'm going through it right now). My next job i take will hopefully not be so high maintenance and i probably will have to take a pay cut but it will be worth it to be happy.

these are the rates on kiwi oz nannies -

Daily nanny- £400- £500npw
Daily mother's help- £350- 400

Live in nanny- £300- £400 npw
Live in mother's help- £250-300

Part time nanny- £8- £10 per hour

I was particularly shocked by the live in mothers help - £300 a week??!!
I was on £180 which EVENTUALLY rose to £200 after a good 6 months of loyal service and worked about 55 hours a week!!

this was only 7/8 years ago I might add. I always ask for £8p/h but recently I've been hearing that london nanny rates are £9/£10p/h??