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what do you make of all these sick days

19 replies

MrsFogi · 28/01/2008 11:55

My dds' nanny is off sick again today and I've realised that in 18 months of working for me she is on her 18th day of (paid) sick leave. I'm sure she doesn't feel great on the days she's been off but this seems a bit much to me (I think I'd be in trouble at work if I had this many days off). Any views? btw it's not one a month she's taking (ie not AF) but in total it's ended up as 18.

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twinklytoes · 28/01/2008 12:00

can't be of much help but I'd certainly have been carted off to the occupational health nurse by now. I've got one staff member whos just got written warning for similar sick record though more because they didn't report it properly.

BradfordMum · 28/01/2008 12:02

I've been a Childminder for 14 yrs. I've never had a day off sick. Ive closed for 2 funerals, and taken planned holidays, but never let the parents down at short notice.

eleusis · 28/01/2008 12:12

Stop paying sick days. I bet she'll find her health improves.

thelittleElf · 28/01/2008 12:14

Maybe you are too soft iukwim. Maybe have a chat with her about general stuff and slip her number of sick days into the conversation?
I feel really guilty if i'm ever off sick, so tend to work through, and 9 times out of 10 i feel a lot better as the day goes on.

annh · 28/01/2008 12:22

Presumably she should be filling in self-certification forms for the time that she is off? Is it always the same type of sickness or different things? How do you cope when she is ill? If you are having to take time off work at short notice to cover, perhaps you could introduce the topic with her by saying that you are getting grief from your employer for your frequent, unplanned absences?

RahRahRachel · 28/01/2008 12:27

I've not had a full sick day in 3 years - I had a half day recently when I caught a vomiting bug from the children and their dad took them to school in the morning, but I was well enough to pick them up in the afternoon and supervise while lying on the sofa!

HarrietTheSpy · 28/01/2008 12:31

What does she say is wrong with her? Is it the same reason every time? Mostly on a Monday/Friday or some other such pattern?

Our contract says SSP and that any furhter pay is at our discretion. I guess you could start just paying SSP if yours says something similar. What does her contract say about absenteeism generally? Is her performance otherwise okay?

thelittleElf · 28/01/2008 12:35

I get full sick pay from my employer, but it doesn't mean i take advantage of that...infact quite the opposite!

I really do think you need to be having a chat with her at some point. Maybe you could give her a call or text today saying you both need to find a convenient time to sit and have a catch up. You could make it light hearted, and just say you've been going through some paperwork today, and have suddenly realised you haven't had an opportunity to have a decent talk in a while?

Do you think she would be forthcoming and cooperative with this?

Sassa · 28/01/2008 12:42

Hi I have the same problem! My nanny has taken 5 days this year and I can't afford any more holidays and certainly don't want to take unpaid leave. I'm about to tell her that actually her contract doesn't allow pay for sick so although I have paid her previously, as now it's a regular ish thing, I can no longer afford to be generous. Also, I'm now heavlily leaning towards Busy Bees because son (1 on Sat!) is so active that I think he'll thrive. nanny doesn't drive so can't get out much to playgroups etc

nannynick · 28/01/2008 19:09

As a nanny, I can say that I don't feel it is normal for a nanny to be taking very many days off sick. I can't even recall having a sick day in the last 3 years. Had a funeral day, but my boss insisted I had that day off.

Typical nanny contracts state sick pay as being SSP... thus an incentive for the nanny to be sick. Employers than can pay for sick days at their discretion - and of course stop paying after a certain point, or if they feel that the sickness is not genuine.

MrsFogi - if you can, try stopping paying for sick days (check to see how contract is worded). Do return-to-work interviews, so that there is a written record of the sickness - so you can refer back to it in future, may also help establish if there is any pattern and if sickness is genuine. Discuss the amount of sickness your nanny is taking with her, and if you feel it is necessary give a verbal warning that if sickness record does not improve, then a written warning will be the next stage in the disciplinary process. Too many written warnings, and contract gets terminated.

Sickness At Work - Advice for Employees
This contains details about an HMRC service called Medical Services, who can do a report with regard to if the employee has been off for good reason, or not.

Absence Management Toolkit - For employers, to help manage absence. Aimed at small businesses, but worth reading as you may find some of the suggestions useful.

nannynick · 28/01/2008 19:11

I really should proof read before posting!

"nanny to be sick" should have read "nanny not to be sick"

HarrietTheSpy · 28/01/2008 20:20

Nick Nick Nick
I thought SSP wasn't full pay but a percentage of their earnings. Help, what have I done?

Will also read your links.

HarrietTheSpy · 28/01/2008 20:21

sorry - just saw you other posting

thelittleElf · 28/01/2008 20:22

bumping

nannynick · 28/01/2008 20:23

sorry, my fault... my brain can think faster than I can type, thus I can miss typing a word, and in this case a very important word!

harpsichordcarrier · 28/01/2008 20:35

first of all, if her contract currently says she is paid for sick leave, then clearly you can't just change the contract? that would be a breach of contract/possible constrctive dismissal.

the fact that other people have not/would not have these days off sick is completely irrelevant in the employment sense. some people get ill more often than others.

the first thing is - do you think that the sickness is genuine or not?

in either case, the first step is to speak to her about the sickness record and maybe go through the list to establish whether between you there is any pattern.

then establish what to do next.

you could put in place a a system to monitor absence in the future, to establish the reason for absence and what response might be appropriate.

if you establish that the absence is not genuine then that is a discplinary matter and you should deal with that appropriately.

if the absence is genuine, then the appropriate response is to think about whether she is "capable" of carrying out her role (given the effect of her absences on your family) if she is not well enough to do the job.

NAB3wishesfor2008 · 28/01/2008 20:39

What does she say is wrong? Does she have odd days or 2-5 days together for example?

Does sound a lot. Maybe she blames the kids for making her ill with their childhood germs??

I think I had 4 days off in 10 years of nannying.

MrsFogi · 28/01/2008 20:42

all these responses whilst I've been trying to look after the dds + work at home! There doesn't seem to be a pattern she just doesn't seem to be able to work through bugs/stomach upsets that wee get from the dds (and I go to work with). I need to dig her contract out.....

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harpsichordcarrier · 29/01/2008 23:22

hmm, ok, so you think the illnesses are genuine?

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