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When Child Minder lies...

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mamasin · 23/01/2008 16:16

CM told dh and me that she couln't take dd as she had to bring her own child to dentist. fine, she would ring us afterwards and we could drop dd off. CM minds 2 other kids part time and our dd is the only full time. DH drove past her house this morn and saw other child's mum there.When CM rang to say that she was back home, DH got there to find the other kids comfortably installed. He said to her did you bring other kids to dentist also? She admitted that she lied and that she had. I am really upset as feel she has abused our trust, we have paid her holidays and paid her when she was unable to mind due to her own kid's illness.this is the 3rd time this month we have taken AL to facilitate her. DH has been v tactful and also put his concerns to her today and asked is she able to mind our dh. I want to say something to her also so she doesn't think i'm a walkover. Comments please! AIBU?

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Kewcumber · 23/01/2008 16:18

do you need to say something? Just be firmer when she asks for a favour if it is inconvenient for you. Doesn't she have a set number of holidays agreed in which case just say "OK we will count that as a half day holiday then"

mamasin · 23/01/2008 16:23

We've agreed that we pay her when we take annual leave, if she takes holidays then they are unpaid. She rang on Sunday to say about dentist on Wednesday and also that another child of hers has hospital appointment on friday.So DH took off today and I'm taking off Friday, both short notice. Now, I'm wondering if child has hospital appointment on Friday? And the appointment CM had last week, did she really have one? Upset that my little one was passed over because her parents are "too nice"

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Twiglett · 23/01/2008 16:25

is your child a different age to the ones she took? or more 'challenging' (no offence made)

some children you can take to an appointment and they'll sit happily in their buggies

some you can't

might it have been that she couldn't have managed your child for some reason but the other child was more easily portable?

Kewcumber · 23/01/2008 16:27

yes I can see your point and I would be furious if my CM lied to me about anything.

But surely you should agree a minimum notice period for you taking annual leave anything shorter then she has to take it as unpaid holidays.

I would blame work - say that your boss is unhappy with the short notice leave you have been taking and you can't do it going forward.

mamasin · 23/01/2008 16:29

She brought 2 other parttimers with her child to dentist, one aged 3 years and other 11 months, my lo is 21 months.

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Twiglett · 23/01/2008 16:30

yes, but is she 21 months and feisty or is she 21 months and placid?

saltire · 23/01/2008 16:31

Is it possible that she had called their parents as well and they couldn't/wouldn't take the time off?

mamasin · 23/01/2008 16:31

Hey, wotcha trying to incinerate?
she's ok sometimes [smiles weakly]

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mamasin · 23/01/2008 16:35

Thing is, CM told us in definite terms that her lo had a dentist appointment and that CM couldn't mind her.
There was no "is it possible" but a definite "I can't mind X" [hmmm]

Ladies, I need a drink. I'm blubbing here at me desk, what is the in thing for burned out/worn down 30 somethings? Brasso and orange anyone?

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mamasin · 23/01/2008 16:36

bugger, added extra m to hmm.
oh,why do you hate me God?

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Tommy · 23/01/2008 16:39

it is a matter of trust IMO. If I find somone has lied to me, I find it very dofficult to trust them again - or even respect them if I'm honest.

That might be ok but not in the person who was looking after my child

Kewcumber · 23/01/2008 16:43

agree with Tommy - very disappointing in someone you trust with your DD.

frannikin · 23/01/2008 16:43

IMO that's not acceptable. Is there any way you can check up on her? Like ask the other mother what the CM said to her?

Twiglett · 23/01/2008 17:39
RahRahRachel · 23/01/2008 20:56

Maybe she was being honest that she couldn't take your DD to the denist, but she could take the others? To be fair, 21 months is probably the worst age of the three mindees to take - the 3 yo is more likely to be able to sit still and quiet and the baby could be strapped into a pushchair. If your LO is quite lively she may have rightly felt it was impossible to take all 4 children.

mamasin · 24/01/2008 09:52

thanks guys. I said to her this morn that I was disappointed with what happened yesterday and she said "yeah so your dh said". She said that I was free to find someone else! so i think we will...

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Lazycow · 24/01/2008 10:10

tbh it sounds to me like she is having trouble minding all of those young children and maybe your dd is the 'hardest work'

This is pretty much what happend with my cm and my ds. She did some unacceptable things (too long a story to go in to) and in the end I worked out that she found ds 'challenging' to look after and was struggling with two 21/2 year olds and a 10 month old.

She didn't talk to me as an adult about it and explain that she was struggling and give me notice, which would have been much better and easier to manage.

She just put me in an impossible situation where I was forced to pay her fopr a month (because of her contract) and yet couldn't use her becauase of her attitude towards me and my concerns about her attitude to ds.

At the same time as paying her for non-existent services I had to take unpaid leave from work (all my holidays were gone for the year)and also pay a nursery while ds settled in. We are only just recovering from the financial blow and this is 4 months later, not to mention the emotional turmoil it caused for both me and ds.

Unfortunately this is the risk with a cm. A good one is fantastic but the relationship between cm and parent can be fraught and is a very personal relationship. When it breaks down it is very difficult to salvage as we rarely give 'second chances' where our children are concerend. Especially when the person who broke the trust doesn't seem remorseful in any way.

mamasin · 24/01/2008 10:27

Hey Lazy sounds like you've been thru the wringer! I don't really want to use a creche as I like to think of lo being with a woman who is like a mother figure, doing washing up and normal things etc.But this is the second CM we have used and like yourselves, we don't want to move her again and the upset that causes. With a creche,we have guaranteed care...
I feel if CM had been upfront and even apologetic today then fine. But she was v businesslike and bruaque not what I want in a CM. How's your ds now? How d'you find nursery?

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dustystar · 24/01/2008 10:32

Did you make a complaint lazycow? You should as childminders like that give the rest of us a bad name.

Hecate · 24/01/2008 10:33

Sounds like she couldn't manage to take all of them and you are the most willing/able to make alternative arrangements.

And she didn't lie to you, she just didn't say that it was only your child she wasn't going to be able to take. Ok, so it would have been better if she'd said "I can't manage ALL the kids, and since you can take AL more easily than X and Y, who get into trouble at work, I'm going to have to ask that you bring your child later."

But it sounds like she doesn't much care that you were put out about it and the 'like it or lump it' attitude would be the thing that would have me looking elsewhere, not the day off, iyswim.

LucreziaBourgeois · 24/01/2008 10:38

I agree with Hecate.
CM probably sees you as the most accommodating of the parents, and the most willing to help her out.
She was probably shocked when your DH said you were both cross.
I wouldn't discuss it any further with her, tbh.
Her retort that you are free to find someone else may have just been defensiveness.
But if you feel unhappy with the level of care she can offer your DD, it would be best to look elsewhere.

Lazycow · 24/01/2008 11:09

Mamasin - Ds is now in a nursery and although it took him a while to settle (a couple of months). He now goes in happily with now tears at all and seems very happy there .

Ds was 3 when this happened though. At 21 months as you dd is I'd have been reluctant to use a nursery for very long hours too. DS has always been very lively and I felt a calmer home atmosphere would suit him better when younger.

I hadn't planned to move him to nursery at 3 full time but he was just about to start a sessional nursery (21/2 hrs a day) where the cm would have taken him a couple of times a week, when it all kicked off.

In the end though I've found the nursery suits us better now. This is partly because of where it is and I don't need to drop ds so early to accomodate school runs, so he goes for fewer hours.

I think ds was ready for nursery as he does require a lot of input and entertainment, though ideally it wouldn't have been so many hours (4 days a week)

I also wanted a second mother figure and had fantasies that ds would stay with his cm until he was at school etc so he would be happy there but in the end it didn't work out like that.

Dustystar - I didn't complain, though in retrospect I should have and most of my friends told me to. I was just too upset at the time and my focus was on getting ds through the upheaval. His behaviour in the couple of months afterwards was really bad - all my friends noticed.

Luckily he is now much happier and settled. I could complain to ofsted now I suppose as I feel more on an even keel and still feel she behaved appallingly. However it is now 4 months later and I think maybe it is too late to do so now .

dmo · 24/01/2008 16:26

cant understand why she kept the dentist appointment when she had all 3 anyway (as the other 2 are part-time)
i am lucky not to work monday mornings so make mine and childrens dentist/doctors for then but i i didnt have a day off i would choose a day with the least children

hennipenni · 24/01/2008 21:36

DMO I have just had to cancel a dental appointment for myself and DDs, the earliest that we can now all be seen together is April. Maybe she couldn't cncel for this reason?

To the OP, I think that your CM would hve been better to hve been honest with you in the beginning to save all this ill feelin.

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