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What to do about our au pair stealing?

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aupairhelp · 22/08/2022 01:21

We've had au-pairs since DS1 (now almost 2) was a few months old. At first, we just needed an extra pair of hands around the house as DW and I (DH) both work from home and run our own business. We're always at home but need to be able to dip in and out of work to keep the lights on, so to speak. Most of our AP (au-pair) experience has been great and we still speak regularly to two of our three previous APs. Our second AP wasn't ideal as we didn't feel we could fully trust her (she would lie about little things) so we gave her several months notice and supported her finding another family.

Our latest AP started with us about a month and a half ago. She's been taking care of DS1 and occasionally DS2, who is now 5 months old but rarely both at the same time as DW and I have been balancing DS2 with work most of the time but this has started to get very difficult for us to manage. The few times our AP has had both, it's seemed like she was struggling and in general, it's seemed lately that she's been struggling with just DS1 on his own a little. We've been considering our options lately for additional childcare as we've realised two young kids is too much for one AP and so have been looking into local nurseries and childminder services for DS1 so that AP would just need to take care of DS2, who at 5 months old, is a lot easier to take care of than a full-of-energy 2 year old.

However, DW started to get little worried earlier this week because she noticed that DS1 seemed to be a little afraid of AP at times. He wasn't going to her for hugs like he does with us, our previous APs, helpers at creche etc. On top of this, his language development seems to have slowed down a bit - that could just be from a cold or sore teeth (rear molars might be coming through). During term time, he usually has a couple of hours at a creche several days a week but that's not been happening lately. We were worried that he was missing out so contacted the creche and they put us in touch with a girl that's been doing some babysitting during the holidays. She took him out every day for a couple of hours and he seemed to love her. DW asked her about hugging and she said he'd been really warm and happy to hug and be picked up. This worried us even more in regards to our AP.

Sorry for the long background info but I felt it was necessary as, as a result of the above, I decided to hide a camera in our lounge, just to be on the safe side. I had a spare one that I'd been meaning to mount on the outside of our house a while ago, so I balanced it on a bookshelf and semi-hid it with some cards that were already on the shelf. I've never felt the need to monitor the insides of my house before and I feel uncomfortable with recording anyone surreptitiously but the odd behaviour of DS1 convinced me it was worth checking. I figured I'd run it for a few days or a week, to get an idea of what was going on when we weren't looking and then take it down or, if there was anything concerning, consider wall mounting one properly and telling anyone that comes in that there's a camera there. The camera covers the play area in our lounge and the dining area part of our kitchen. I put it up overnight on Thursday but only set it up digitally around midday on Friday so it's not been running long and has only recorded half a day of her working. I scanned through that briefly on Friday night and, although she was glued to her phone and barely interacted with DS1, I didn't see anything outright alarming. DS1 was happily running around playing and she was sometimes out of line of sight for longer than I'd like but it seemed ok. She did come over and smile at him at one point, which set my mind at ease a little as I'd been worried she might have been cold with him as she's often quite negative (glass is half empty kind of person).

Anyway, tonight I thought I'd check the camera again to make sure it was working properly, ready for the first full day tomorrow. I glanced back through today (Sunday) and saw that there was some motion detected around the time DW and I took DS1 and DS2 out for about half an hour. I thought it would just be the dogs pacing, upset that we were out but I saw AP come in, look around to see if anyone else was around and then reach up to the bookshelf the camera was in. My heart froze for a second because I thought she might find the camera but then I saw that she'd picked up some cash we had lying on a high up shelf further down the bookcase (from when DW sold a baby rocker and some other baby things that we didn't need anymore). She rifled through it and took what looked like to be £10 and pocketed it. From her behaviour, it didn't look like this was the first time she'd done this and before taking it, it looked like she double checked that we weren't in. I don't know how much she's taken in total but I believe it's more than £10 that's missing but not massively more.

Again, sorry for the long story, but I needed to write this down as I'm not sure what to do about it. I've not told DW yet as she's asleep but I'm all wound up as a result of this all. It's not about the money, it's about the act. I'm just shocked that she would do this.

As I'm sure it'll be asked; we pay what we believe to be above the going rate for APs, based on what we've seen on other family's profiles and AP told us that we're paying her about 50% more than she got at her last family. We live in a nice location, our AP's room is a lovely room (freshly redecorated two years ago) with a nice double bed, lots of light, new TV, air con unit and we gave her a new iPhone to use with unlimited data, all the entertainment subscription services. She has one of our bank cards (for an account we set up just for AP needs) that she can use for buying groceries or any food she wants, we prepare her food most evenings and we buy her takeaway most Friday and Saturday nights unless she's out and we've always welcomed our APs to spend time with us, watching shows and films with us if they want, that kind of thing. Of course, she doesn't have to pay for any bills. She works for about 7 hours a day Monday-Friday with no evening or weekend work (starts at about 8 and finishes at 5 but has a 2-3 hour break when DS1 has his nap). We don't ask her to do any cleaning (we have a weekly cleaner) but we'd expect her to do normal household things like loading or unloading the dishwasher, wiping down the surface after use, that kind of thing. I don't think we're asking too much and we've always tried to be as welcoming as possible.

Has anyone gone through anything remotely similar? Any advice on what we should do about this? It's complicated because she lives with us and it's going to be hard living with someone we can't trust. She's not mentioned anything about needing extra money or having any debts etc, so I'm not sure what to think. I think we need to let her go, as you can't get that trust back, but this is her home at the moment, so just knee-jerk reacting and kicking her out doesn't seem right as she'll have nowhere to go. Although we've started looking into alternative childcare already, we're in very early stages right now as we were planning a little further ahead and we haven't worked out all the details on cost etc. I plan on keeping the camera up and watching it more carefully over the next few days and will obviously discuss all this with DW tomorrow but I'd value any input anyone might have.

Apologies for being so long winded - I'm a little worked up right now and wanted to be clear on the facts and what led us here. First time post on here so have done my best to get the abbreviations right.

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MrsRuggles · 22/08/2022 13:42

It's hard to believe you are ignorant of the details of how au pairs are meant to interact with a family if you have had four already. This isn't au pairing, this is gross exploitation. Unless you are paying proper live in nanny rates, in which case why not call them a nanny. On the UKGov website the money APs get is not called wages, it's pocket money.

Move on from this, let the au pair go and look for the qualified child care your children need.

NippyWoowoo · 22/08/2022 16:00

ParsleyPesto · 22/08/2022 09:59

No one is ignoring the stealing, don’t be ridiculous. But frankly the employer is guilty of stealing much, much more. Total exploitation. Ugh.

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sunshineandstrawberryjam · 22/08/2022 16:06

Deguster · 22/08/2022 11:58

Stealing is appalling and she needs to be sacked, no question there.

Covert surveillance is also pretty terrible. What were you hoping to achieve? If you don’t trust her with kids then pay her off.

Giving an au pair responsibility for 2 young children is an absolute pisstake.

100% this.

You need a live in nanny and you need to pay appropriate wages.

Bluebells12 · 22/08/2022 16:21
  1. Fire the nanny for gross misconduct and arrange for her to return home immediately. Personally I’d put her in a cheap b&b as soon as you’ve fired her, to protect the rest of your valuables like any jewellery phones etc. If she complains, tell her you haven’t reported her to the police but (will if she doesn’t go straight away and that a police record could affect her ability to get visas in future).
  2. Hire a temp nanny from an emergency childcare agency.
  3. sort out proper long term childcare.
It does sound like you’ve been lucky so far with the au pairs and that a nanny might work better, depending on your working hours. If you’re both working full time then you need a nanny even if you’re at home. If one of you is mostly looking after children in the day then an au pair - as a help - can work. But it shouldn’t be the main childcare, it has a bad effect on the children.
WarmWinterSun · 22/08/2022 16:37

Of course you should let her go as you don’t trust her. However the hours are too kong for an au pair and she shouldn’t be looking after a five month old, even for short periods. I feel you are treating her like a live in nanny which is exploitation as she isn’t being paid a nanny wage.

Haysmiths · 22/08/2022 16:50

I have had Au-Pairs for over 10 years whilst my dc were at primary school.

Agree with the others - stealing is the least of your worries. You don't trust her with your children nor your valuables. You should act on your gut and dismiss her immediately. Pay her a weeks' pay and her flight home immediately. Giving her 3 months notice will be awkward as she will probably be resentful and reluctant to do any work. As you all live together you will to put up with that all the time. It's not worth it.

My other advice is that your children are far too young to be minded by them. Your young children need either nursery, a childminder or a nanny.

I've had APs that were very reliable and responsible for their age, but, I still would never trust them with sole care for under 4 year olds. The risk is too great and it is unfair really to give them such responsibility. AP's are great for wraparound care and light household tasks. They are not trained childcare providers.

mondaytosunday · 22/08/2022 17:02

Fire her without notice - she's stolen from you and you suspect she has mistreated your child.
. To have to have a babysitter and a crèche AS WELL as an aupair is ridiculous, you need a nanny. She's not fit for the job. Do NOT recommend her to anyone else either.

MrsTerryPratchett · 22/08/2022 17:08

mondaytosunday · 22/08/2022 17:02

Fire her without notice - she's stolen from you and you suspect she has mistreated your child.
. To have to have a babysitter and a crèche AS WELL as an aupair is ridiculous, you need a nanny. She's not fit for the job. Do NOT recommend her to anyone else either.

But also tell the au pair agencies what you did OP, the work hours and the hidden cameras. So you can't ever get another au pair.

No one is covered in glory here. No one.

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 22/08/2022 17:16

You are absolutely allowed to film in your own home, unless its an area where a guest should assume privacy i.e the toilets.

I would sit everyone down and play the recording. Then ask her if she would like to pack her things and leave, or would she like you to call the police. I would not dream of leaving my child with her or have her in my house ever again.

Deguster · 22/08/2022 17:34

You are absolutely allowed to film in your own home, unless its an area where a guest should assume privacy i.e the toilets

I dont think it’s as straightforward as that when the surveillance is covert (as it is here) and not everyone living in the house knows/has consented. But you’re absolutely correct that the theft makes her completely unsuitable to look after young kids.

Although I suspect she’ll jump for joy when relieved of nanny responsibilities in return for AP “pocket money”.

vimtokisses · 22/08/2022 18:03

It's a little convenient, you just happen to have cash hidden, on bookshelves, right where a camera is recording.

Ws2210 · 22/08/2022 19:49

Just googled how much an au pair costs in the UK. FFS OP how can you live with yourself making her work a 30 hour week on that. Not condoning the stealing but it makes some sense.

And whilst yes you can technically film in your own home, a middle age man should never be covertly filming a very young woman.

underneaththeash · 22/08/2022 22:09

Where is she from OP - are you 100% sure that you were hosting her legally? It’s very difficult get get anyone at the moment, never mind someone willing to work 40 hours a week for au pair pocket money. (So, she would need a U.K. passport, Tier 5 youth mobility visa or pre-settled status.) If not, I wouldn’t do anything rushed as she could report you and you could get an astronomical fine and/or a criminal record.
i would also be careful if you were paying more than £130/week as you would have needed to register as an employer.

if you have made a mistake with either of those, I would simply say that you’ve decided to use a nursery and pay her flight home and the 12 weeks notice pay.

if not, I would say that you’re aware she was stealing and she needs to leave asap.

as PP have said, an au pair is not a suitable childcare provider in your situation.

Coyoacan · 22/08/2022 22:36

Whao. I just realised the au pair is working 45 hours a work!

wellhelloitsme · 22/08/2022 22:45

From gov.uk. Do you fulfil these requirements?

Working hours wise (at least) you don't...

Au pair arrangements

An au pair is not classed as a worker or an employee if most of the following apply:
• they’ve got a signed letter of invitation from the host family that includes details of their stay, for example accommodation, living conditions, approximate working hours, free time, pocket money
• they learn about British culture from the host family and share their own culture with them
• they have their own private room in the house, provided free of charge
• they eat their main meals with the host family, free of charge
• they help with light housework and childcare for around 30 hours a week, including a couple of evenings babysitting
• they get reasonable pocket money
• they can attend English language classes at a local college in their spare time
• they’re allowed time to study and can practise their English with the host family
• they sometimes go on holiday with the host family and help look after the children
• they can travel home to see their family during the year

allboysherebutme · 22/08/2022 22:55

Give her notice , but make her leave tomorrow. X

Polimolly · 23/08/2022 10:26

Does she have a youth mobility visa or settle status in U.K.? Or is she British? If you are employing her illegally, be careful as you have more to lose than her. You CANNOT employ someone who is here as a tourist as an aupair. All Europeans need a Right to Work in U.K.

noclothesinbed · 23/08/2022 10:56

Ah pairs are only supposed to be caring for school aged children not pre school aged children. They are not qualified in childcare. You are using the cheapest option and there is your result. You should value your kids more and pay for a qualified child carer or setting for you babies I wouldn't even be worried about the stealing your kids safety and happiness comes first.

Dumle · 23/08/2022 19:10

Your Au Pair should absolutely not be stealing from you, and for that I wouldn't be able to keep her as an Au Pair.
Can I just point out that you are not her employers, it's a cultural exchange, you are her hosts.
You should not be filming her without her knowledge, that's so wrong on so many levels, not ok!

NippyWoowoo · 23/08/2022 20:05

OP won't be returning.

Probably too busy looking for another young woman to exploit.

EmmacbPops · 24/08/2022 12:19

Hardly cheap childcare!!

OP sack her. She’s a disgrace. Too many red flags.

Nekomata · 24/08/2022 12:55

EmmacbPops · 24/08/2022 12:19

Hardly cheap childcare!!

OP sack her. She’s a disgrace. Too many red flags.

If he's paying her 120 pounds a week pocket money, she's getting 24 pounds a day to do a 9-hour day. How is that not cheap?

wellhelloitsme · 24/08/2022 12:58

EmmacbPops · 24/08/2022 12:19

Hardly cheap childcare!!

OP sack her. She’s a disgrace. Too many red flags.

On what planet is the OP's set up not cheap childcare?!

AquaticSewingMachine · 24/08/2022 13:09

Either this is an employment arrangement, in which case OP is in some deep shit for paying below minimum wage and failing to meet the legal obligations on an employer, or it's a cultural exchange that OP is exploiting, in which case high-handed posturing about "sacking" the au pair has no place.

It's perfectly acceptable to end a cultural exchange early if the person is stealing from you. But given that this is already stretching the definition of "cultural exchange" to its limit and beyond, I wouldn't ever expect to be able to get another "au pair".

differential · 24/08/2022 18:07

EmmacbPops · 24/08/2022 12:19

Hardly cheap childcare!!

OP sack her. She’s a disgrace. Too many red flags.

He's paying her less then £3 an hour for 9 hour days looking after 2 very young children. Love to see what you'd consider cheap childcare if this isn't.

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