NWOC (baby) when your DC are older

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Anyone got experience of same? I'm currently hiring for an after-school nanny and my top candidate would be bringing her own young baby with her. In an ideal world I would rather have a nanny either without DC or with DC more similar to mine's ages, but I'm thinking that a good, reliable, professional nanny is worth a lot, especially after-school which is harder to hire for than FT hours. I actively advertised that I was open to NWOC for that reason.

Also any experience of pay rates for NWOC?

about 25% off the going rate I think, with the ability to bring own child reviewed at 3m and then every 6 m

Sorry what’s a NWOC? I guessed nanny with out child but that makes no sense in context.

Crikey that'll be difficult int he chaos of school pick up, cooking tea, supervising homework, ferrying to after school clubs. Babies usually get cranky from 6pm. I'm not sure I'd risk it.

NWOC= Nanny With Own Child.

As mentioned, I'd prefer on balance a nanny w/o child in tow, but the only candidate I have at the moment without a child is likely to not stay as long. It's a tough one.

And the alternative if I can't find a good nanny is after school club, or a childminder where there is also likely to be at least one baby or young toddler.

I think I would be very open to this personally. She knows the hours and her childs personality so knows if the afternoon/evenings would be doable and wouldn't have applied otherwise. Babies are quite portable and easy to entertain, let her leave a stash of toys etc in the cupboard and it will be grand.

I think 25% lower is a bit much to be honest especially for such little hours. Most people I know do 10% max lower and a lot pay market rate because they see what they are getting a great nanny to help their children.

10-20% lower then average as 1) she has her own child with her 2) no childcare costs to pay 3) your kids won’t get 100% attention

It can work out very well

Out of London, it’s almost impossible to get an after school nanny, unless they bring their own child with them.

it’s not ideal, but there are no au pairs at the moment either.

i’d pay weekly in arrears and put a proviso in the contract that they are responsible for any household damage caused by their child.

I actually am in London, but I'm not having much luck with Koru Kids despite loads of nannies listed in my area and virtually all the nannies I've attracted through other channels are NWOC. However I've a few more candidates in the frame now who have an older child or no child, hurray. I'm fine with another child around, I've nanny shared for years so I even see it as a benefit if it's a child of an age to play with mine, but I admit to reservations about a baby. Hiring for after school nannying is definitely a different ballgame from hiring for FT nannying.

If you sent your kids to an after school childminder there would be a baby plus a couple of pre-schoolers involved, so I don't think one baby is going to cause chaos.

There's a limited field of candidates interested in only after school hours - you're mostly going to be looking at mums or students. Personally I think a working mum tends to be more reliable and dedicated than people without children.

Can I ask why you don't like the idea of your dc being at a childminders with younger children present?
I am a childminder and my older children love the younger ones (mainly because they only have to see them for a couple of hours a day) we still manage to do activities with the older children after school if they choose to or help with homework too.

I wouldn’t do it. Tried it twice (one nanny with child and one childminder with their own young children) and it never worked well. Their own children always took priority and my child didn’t get enough care (that I was paying for!). Now I have after school nanny without children and a childminder with much older ones (adults).

nanny’s baby was also destroying things in the house (including my child’s toys) and DH was worried about insurance should the baby hurt themselves in our house. My child spent a lot of time trying to manage the baby.

and yes fully agree after school nanny is very very hard to find and maintain 😫

I think I'm officially done with Koru Kids. 😡The nanny booked for a paid trial through them ghosted me. No call, no show, no reply to message.

@AquaticSewingMachine I find Koru Kids nannies can be quite unreliable (a know quite a few friends who have used them). I would say the main reason is most nannies with a decent amount of experience don’t use them cause their rates are far too low. So it’s new nannies that leave as soon as something better comes along.

So. Update: I arranged 3 short trials and l'm planning to offer the job to the nanny with the baby. She was great and professional and the baby was genuinely remarkably chilled. It may not work out down the line but I do feel it's worth a try.

Koru Kids continues to be no use and I won't bother with that channel next time.