Full time live in nanny ..inc nights

[khaa2091]

I am just in the process of trying to sort out childcare for when I return to work in September when dd 10 months.

I am a single parent with grandparents nearby, but my normal working day is 0645 to 7pm. I will not be working one day a week, but will be at work from 0645 Wed or Thurs am to 1900 Thurs or Fri pm every 2 weeks. There are also monthlyish nights (where I will be gone 1900 to 0900) and some weekend working, both day and night.

What is reasonable to discuss? I will have a separate annexe with its own entrance which can be used by a nanny, but they will then have to come into the main house (which I would be happy with full access with, whether or not I was there) if working over night. Are overnight hours usually paid at the same rate as daytime? How do the rates usually divide I am also getting help from grandparents and my sister.

I realise that this is an unusual and demanding job and can't see how this is going to work without flexibility on everyone's part (whilst still needing to work fulltime in order to pay for it all). Does anyone else to anything remotely similar, or would you even consider a job that required this?

Any advice / experiences gratefully received....

We have friends who are both pilots - with weekends, long stints & early mornings shift patterns. They did find a nanny - who still with them some 12 years later! They always ensured the nanny had plenty of notice of their shifts - due to their shifts they may be 4/5 days of rest days etc so it meant the nanny had that time off.
I imagine it’s rare! But they do exist !

@user1493494961

When will your child see you?

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Also, don't be banking on your little one continuing to sleep through - lots of 3m olds that sleep well, stop being such a good sleeper later. My good sleeping 3m old stopped at 4m, and then didnt sleep as well again until age 3!

@busyeatingbiscuits
I don't think I have ever seen a live in nanny role at £60+k - if you have seen some adverts with that kind of a salary please link to them.

They exist!
burlingtonnannies.com/jobs/mayfair-live-in/
www.greycoatlumleys.co.uk/jobs/live-in-nanny-job_kensington_5228
burlingtonnannies.com/jobs/sloane-square-live-in/
www.greycoatlumleys.co.uk/jobs/nanny-job_surrey_4571
www.greycoatlumleys.co.uk/jobs/live-in-nanny-job_roehampton_4402

[quote TheOccupier]@busyeatingbiscuits
I don't think I have ever seen a live in nanny role at £60+k - if you have seen some adverts with that kind of a salary please link to them.

They exist!
burlingtonnannies.com/jobs/mayfair-live-in/
www.greycoatlumleys.co.uk/jobs/live-in-nanny-job_kensington_5228
burlingtonnannies.com/jobs/sloane-square-live-in/
www.greycoatlumleys.co.uk/jobs/nanny-job_surrey_4571
www.greycoatlumleys.co.uk/jobs/live-in-nanny-job_roehampton_4402[/quote]
Even of those though, a couple are 24/5 or 24/6 roles (120+ hours a week rather than the standard 60) and the others are £50k+ rather than £60k+

Those are pretty unusual roles though and the norm is definitely nearer £30k.

My DM was a childminder when I was growing up and would do overnights for a parent who was a single parent. So that’s an option. I think most nannies work covering nights when needed, don’t they? That’s the benefit of a nanny over nursery

I don’t think you would get this for under 40k, that was about what I was paid for a similar role 15 years ago.

www.edenprivatestaff.com/job/live-in-nanny-kd791/

Honestly I'd consider moving in with your family for a couple of years. Then put DD in ft nursery for core hours (8-6). This is the least disruptive plan for her.

It's not just childcare. How about your own self care? Cleaning, tidying, shopping, cooking. You will burn out without so much outsourcing that you have no life.

You can have a live-in nanny for far less than some people here are saying. But be realistic.
You have to be prepared for the fact though that the kids will spend so much time with her that they will form a close bond. I don't say this to be negative, but I have seen quite a few parents get rid of their nanny and get a less good one (they usually say more professional) because they are jealous of the bond the nanny has with their children.
If someone is good they will develop a strong bond. If they are not a good nanny, they won't.

Live in nanny £350 - £500 per week in london

Prices will be less in other parts of the country

Choose wisely babies are not babies for long

@whysoserious123

Live in nanny £350 - £500 per week in london

Prices will be less in other parts of the country

Choose wisely babies are not babies for long

£350 is only for around 40 hours a week though, OP needs 60 so bare minimum is going to be over £500 if she employs someone over 22.

Would one really well qualified live in Nanny plus an assistant part time person doing child care work? The main, sole care qualified nanny could help working out rotas. A flexible but reliable older woman might like a part time job like that. If you could find someone like that they could be used as relief nanny to give your full time nanny a day off. I would contact a reputable nanny agency and ask them what hours a live in would be prepared to do. How much extra for sole charge overnight ext. I do think though that a full time fully qualified live in with a part time 'mother help' then family back up might work

@busyeatingbiscuits you said "I don't think I have ever seen a live in nanny role at £60+k - if you have seen some adverts with that kind of a salary please link to them." and I did. The fact that something is outside your experience doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I also personally know nannies working on that salary and more (the highest paid one I know in the UK is on £75k), and I've hired nannies at around £60k myself (for clients). An experienced Norland nanny with good references can expect to make that sort of salary.

As for quibbling about some of the roles I linked being 24-hours - this is standard on that sort of pay, but it doesn't count as "working" 24 hours a day (when calculating holiday etc). You can be sure that any nanny able to command these sorts of salaries will be able to get children into a good routine and have them in bed early and sleeping through the night! If they are ill or have a bad dream, nanny gets up with them, but those are exceptions.

@khaa2091 you can hire someone to do anything, childcare or otherwise, if you are able to pay for it. But I'm not sure how you will afford the help you need as a single earner in the NHS, especially as you'll probably want a housekeeper as well, or someone happy to do both. I would suggest trying to find a Filipina lady to live in and take care of the baby and the house as they are generally more flexible about doing housework and laundry than European nannies, but paying a fair wage still won't leave you much for mortgage and bills! Maybe if you don't mind nanny living in your house full-time you could rent out or airbnb your annexe via an agency to make some extra cash...

If you work 24/5, 24/6, 24/7 of course all the hours count as working and are used to calculate holiday.

I concede there are some standard 60 hour live in jobs that are offering up to £60k but surely you know these are pretty unusual and certainly not a normal wage for a live in nanny?

I hope you aren't in nanny recruitment if you're happy to suggest racial discrimination when hiring

@cdba88

Hilarious that people think these are mad hours.

06:45-20:00 are normal hours in the nhs.

I reckon she's doing 57 on week average Inc the overnights, for most people that is crazy, esp with such a tiny baby

When I was looking for a live-in Nanny/Housekeeper, ostensibly full-time Monday-Friday, but really only for working 7.30-9.30am and 3-6pm as DC in school/nursery. I was going to offer £28-34k salary plus accommodation and food, phone, travel card and use of car. Given the unsociable hours you need, you'll probably have to offer more like £35-40k plus all the benefits.

I was inundated with responses from potential nannies using the website childcare.co.uk, so you may want to try on there. They have the nannies qualifications, DBS and reviews/references from parents as well as pictures of the nannies, and you can interview them.

I never actually got as far as employing someone, as I discovered breakfast club and after school club (never knew they existed before!), but if I needed a nanny in future, I'd definitely look there again.

So you need a nanny fir just over 12hrs a day four days a week

Then need over night one night every 2 weeks

Plus then weekend shifts

I would look for a nanny whether live in or out, tho obv happy to start work early and stay over once a fortnight

Then another to cover weekends or extra hours that your parents can’t cover

Obv this will cost

Norland Nannies are not the norm. Although the requirements have been relaxed, Norland Nannies were traditionally young women from aristocratic families who did not have enough money to support them. Nowdays training as a Norland Nanny is more open in theory, but the cost of training fees is £15,276 plus living costs. This outrageously expensive cost means it is not open to most people.

Your typical nanny is not Norland trained and frankly I don't rate the training anyway. It is about cache, nothing more.

Your typical nanny earns far less, and it is frankly a tough job with high expectations from the parents, long hours, and very little support.

And I agree about childcare.co.uk. You will easily get someone with a nursery nurse qualification.

@busyeatingbiscuits

If you work 24/5, 24/6, 24/7 of course all the hours count as working and are used to calculate holiday.

I concede there are some standard 60 hour live in jobs that are offering up to £60k but surely you know these are pretty unusual and certainly not a normal wage for a live in nanny?

I hope you aren't in nanny recruitment if you're happy to suggest racial discrimination when hiring

I don't really care what you think, @busyeatingbiscuits - it's obvious from your posts that you have no actual knowledge or experience of hiring and managing nannies in this type of role at the top end of the market, so I'm not sure why you feel qualified to opine on holiday calculation (or on this thread at all in fact). You asked for examples of live-in nanny jobs paying £60k, and you've been provided with examples. Stop trying to derail the thread.

Khaa- north or south? I'm in Bedford.

South in Bucks...

Like any job, I think it's perfectly do-able as long as you are absolutely transparent about the full requirement and the remuneration reflects the anti social hours etc

It would probably help to speak to a nanny agency who will be much better placed to advise you on pay rates etc

I think it's perfectly do-able too. (I live in Beaconsfield, S. Bucks).

Contract for 48hrs flexibly over 5 days - that's not unusual for a F/T nanny contract. You then let them know in advance which days they're working. I honestly do not think you'll have a problem recruiting. Bear in mind though that you're also an employer and responsible for employers NI and pension.

Have a look here for the extra costs
www.nannytax.co.uk/gross-to-net-salary-calculator

The only issue I think you might have is that it will wipe out your entire salary......