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Why do people complain about childcare costs?

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Teawithsugar40 · 08/01/2022 12:49

I’m a working mother and 65% (was previously near 100%) of my salary goes on childcare, we get by but holidays etc are out of the question. We’re not rich and have small children, it’s just how it is. I don’t resent what we pay and feel quite lucky that we’re a few hundred better off than if I was doing the equally important job of caring for my children full time.
Maybe because when I had my first child there was absolutely no childcare help and scant provision but I really don’t understand so many people these days complaining about childcare costs, especially when it still leaves them better off working? Totally understand single parents needing help and thankfully they have had generous help for years but why are couples who are definitely not on the breadline complaining? Did they seriously think they could have children without making any sacrifices and why do they expect people often worse off them themselves to pay for maintaining their previous lifestyle?

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RoyalFamilyFan · 08/01/2022 17:14

@chessycurls as you yourself say, this is not about low-income families.

chessycurls · 08/01/2022 17:14

My childminder charged £75 a day per child and was paid for 52 weeks of the year, 4 weeks of those were at 50%. I was very happy with her, that doesn't mean I don't think 3k a month childcare isn't expensive.

Teawithsugar40 · 08/01/2022 17:15

@Simonjt
I think you’ll find a lot of parents living in poverty and even those not
in poverty would totally disagree that sure start centres a waste of money and having little impact

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sociallydistained · 08/01/2022 17:16

I feel really fortunate that as a nanny I can go back to work and earn a good wage with my child - this comes at a cost of course to my child potentially (although I have raised my charges for years and see it as a sibling relationship) and because it's hard work. I am planning to move on in my career as I have new recent qualifications but the childcare costs do make me hesitant. At some point I will have to but for now I am grateful I have no childcare costs but am earning a wage (and my partner is bloody lucky too as I remind him!)

chessycurls · 08/01/2022 17:16

@RoyalFamilyFan

explain how a low income family is paying for other families free hours?

chessycurls · 08/01/2022 17:16

I do agree the sure start schemes were very good.

RoyalFamilyFan · 08/01/2022 17:16

@chessycurls the proposal is they would be.

chessycurls · 08/01/2022 17:18

I’m more than happy for my taxes to go on kids in poverty and childcare so their whole family can have a better life.

But not that better in case they are able to get the point they can afford childcare & holidays?

Also quite happy for a whole range of other tax payer funded schemes that help all kids.

Like what? and how can you be sure some won't spend this "saving" on holidays?

Teawithsugar40 · 08/01/2022 17:18

@chessycurls

You get 80% of the cost subsidised if your on a low income for children of any age under 12

But I thought your issue was with parents who weren't on low incomes?

Yes it is, what is your point?
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sociallydistained · 08/01/2022 17:19

... obviously i am childcare also, that's my profession. I work for one family of very high earners though and one who are average.

chessycurls · 08/01/2022 17:20

@RoyalFamilyFan what proposal?

BluebellsGreenbells · 08/01/2022 17:20

Alongside all the current childcare support of low income families receiving 80% of childcare costs paid, the 15 funded hours for all children from non working low income families, children’s centres.

When DD was little the going rate in large city was £20 a day. I paid £80 a week. This was a stay at home mom earning some pocket money raising her own child, and wanted him to have a few friends.

The government then did two things - first all childminders had to be registered and trained in early years, they had to be inspected etc

They put the prices up.

Then the government offered 80% fees, to get woman back to work - this did two things, the childminders now saw £££ signs and upped their prices, making it unaffordable to most, those who couldn’t be bothered with the inspections stopped doing it so the pool got smaller, they upped the prices.

The other thing, the woman are now working and flooded the job market so pay dropped - now people need two wages to afford housing.

It is an issue and one where the government had a full hand in playing this game.

It was no longer acceptable to be a stay at home mother and look after your own children, you were expected to work.

I had twins, the 80% only applies to the younger child, so I could no longer afford to work.

RoyalFamilyFan · 08/01/2022 17:21

@chessycurls you are asking poorer people to pay more tax to provide better-off people with free or heavily subsidised childcare.
Both DP and I earn below the average wage. Why should we pay more tax so that you have more disposable income?

chessycurls · 08/01/2022 17:21

@Teawithsugar40 I tried to make it as clear as possible for you by quoting our replies to each other. If you are confused 🤷🏻‍♀️

chessycurls · 08/01/2022 17:21

@RoyalFamilyFan who is asking poorer people to pay more tax?

RoyalFamilyFan · 08/01/2022 17:22

@BluebellsGreenbells the kind of childcare that was common back then would not be acceptable to most parents now.

RoyalFamilyFan · 08/01/2022 17:23

@chessycurls how else are you proposing funding this childcare for those not on low incomes?

chessycurls · 08/01/2022 17:23

* the kind of childcare that was common back then would not be acceptable to most parents now.*

It would be illegal

Simonjt · 08/01/2022 17:25

[quote Teawithsugar40]@Simonjt
I think you’ll find a lot of parents living in poverty and even those not
in poverty would totally disagree that sure start centres a waste of money and having little impact[/quote]
I didn’t say they were a waste of time and had little impact, so bit of an odd reply.

But I will ask again, why do you think surestart centres reduced poverty?

chessycurls · 08/01/2022 17:25

how else are you proposing funding this childcare for those not on low incomes?

I'm not sure if you're confusing me with someone else. Funding what childcare? the current 15 hours? Who has proposed tax rises for only poor people to solely fund childcare?

RoyalFamilyFan · 08/01/2022 17:26

Yes it would be illegal. But even if made legal, most parents would not use it.
The government proposed increasing legal ratios and there was an outcry, so they quickly backtracked.

chessycurls · 08/01/2022 17:27

Both DP and I earn below the average wage. Why should we pay more tax so that you have more disposable income?

I really dislike this attitude. People pay taxes to support everything. Using your logic why should a higher earning family who wouldn't receive child benefit pay tax so others can?

Thefaceofboe · 08/01/2022 17:33

Because not everyone pays £5 an hour for childcare Hmm that would be nice!

Pugroll · 08/01/2022 17:40

I think we should get rid of universal access to healthcare and schools too, what a waste of money!

Simonjt · 08/01/2022 17:41

@Pugroll

I think we should get rid of universal access to healthcare and schools too, what a waste of money!
Exactly, why should I pay more taxes so a family I’m jealous of because they earn more than me can afford a holidy.