Childcare and unsociable hours - advise needed

[QuintessentialShadow]

I am posting this on behalf of a friend.

She has got a job as an Airhostess with British Airways, and will start training in January, so need to sort out childcare for her two boys. She is a single mum. The oldest is 14, mature and responsible, and the youngest is 6. They live 10 minutes walk from the youngest boys school. The 14 year old goes to school on his own. Both boys are very well behaved and pleasant.

She needs somebody who can be in the house from 4 am, help with breakfast and get the boys ready, and then walk the youngest to school for 9 am. (Possibly breakfast club from 8 am) Then pick up the youngest from school, at either 3pm, or 4pm if he has an afterschool activity, prepare tea and just stay with them, till mum gets home, it could be 7 or 8 pm.

She is hesitant about a live in person, as she has a 3 bed house, and the 14 year old is not so keen to share room with his brother.

But I am thinking that a live in could sleep till 7.30 and get up with the boys, but a live out, would have to get up at 3 am to go to work.

What do you guys think?

live-in I'm afraid

she'd find it hard to find someone prepared to do those hours and would probably have to pay an extraordinary amount to tempt someone to do them

would be far easier to have someone in the house (though I appreciate what a PITA it would be!)

I agree with you foxinsocks. I can see the benefits of that too, having an au pair myself.

Does anybody know what type of salary she may have to offer a live out nanny?

She is hoping to find somebody who is studying or doing another job in the day. However, I think if you get up at 3 am you are not in a position to have other paid work (or study) from 8-3 and then from 3-7/8pm again at her house. It would be a 15 hour working day... from 4 am till 7/8pm.

what about a childminder who provides overnight care?

dmo - so both boys would spend the night with the cm? I guess that could work in combination with an after school nanny.
the nanny could pick up the youngest from school, care for both boys at home til mum gets back. Then mum can drop the boys off to cm? I fear she would get very little time with her boys... But it is an option.

well childminder could do after school too i guess its up to the childminder