How many hours does this work out?

[babychange12]

I'm looking for a after school nanny for DS who will start school in September. He will be attending a private school so there's 13!! Weeks holiday per year

I also have another DS 18 months who is in nursery 9-3 Mon-Wed

If I hire a nanny for the following hours during term time
Mon-Wed 3-6pm / thurs & fri 8-6

School holiday 8-6

How many hours does that work out as? Or should I consider it as a full 40 hour week?

Sorry I mean 19 weeks off during holidays!

Well it’s 32 hrs term time and 50 school holidays. You’d be best paying based on the weekly amount rather than spreading it into 12 equal payments.

29 not in school hols, 40 schools hols. Averages 33 per week... is there other stuff she could be doing while nursery on mon to wed? I’d just consider it full time

State schools have 13 weeks of holidays plus 5 teacher training days. Are you sure there aren’t more for the private school?

3x3 = 9
2x10 = 20
So 29 hours a week during term time

10x5 = 50
So 50 hours per week during holidays

You couldn’t advertise as 40 hours per week, no. You could do an annualised hours arrangement
(50 x 13) + (29 x 29) = 1781 hours per year.

You’d need to give at least 5.6 weeks holiday in there and at least a 20 min (unpaid) break during the 8-6 days, by the way.

Sorry 50 school hols so average 37 per week

1907 hours per year/just under 37 per week on average.

Minimum 205.5 hours holiday per year.

If you can afford it and she's prepared to do chores & errands, I'd be tempted to employ her full time and, during term time at least, enjoy having a tidy house with a well stocked freezer and all the ironing done. You can also relax on the occasions your DC are sick - or schools go back into lockdown - knowing someone is there to look after them.
Otherwise, make sure you are very careful about calculating her holiday. You need to do it in hours so that if she takes a Monday off she uses up less holiday than if she takes a Friday off.

Personally, I’d pay that as full time work but maybe ask an extra couple of hours during the non holiday weeks to do children’s laundry, sort children’s fancy dress or do child related activity like toy tidying.

When will they take leave and how much will they get?

What will happen if your child is unwell at school or nursery?
Who is going to assembly or concerts and sports days?

The hours you set don’t really leave an option for other employment and if they committed elsewhere, it might leave you struggling with an unwell child. Could you manage with a child off school or nursery for a fortnight with Chickenpox?

@DragonLegs

Well it’s 32 hrs term time and 50 school holidays. You’d be best paying based on the weekly amount rather than spreading it into 12 equal payments.

OP might be best, but the nanny wouldn't.

OP the best way to pay a nanny is in 12 equal payments, as bills are paid monthly and not pro rata according to hours worked (🙄 for the suggestion in quoted post)

Use a nanny payroll company, they will be able to figure this all out for you

Hi all, thank you so much for the advice! I'm definitely thinking of an annualised contract, so 12 equal payments so it's easier for us!

I think it's actually 20 weeks of school holiday so I will recalculate based on that.

Good points re the holiday days - will need to agree when is best to go on holiday. Do you have to mutually agree a time together to be on holiday? As I have 5 weeks holiday as well, could I ask her to take her holiday at the same time? Or does she get to choose her holiday days?

Good points as well re sickness. My job is semi flexible but better to have contingency built in!

@babychange12

Hi all, thank you so much for the advice! I'm definitely thinking of an annualised contract, so 12 equal payments so it's easier for us!

I think it's actually 20 weeks of school holiday so I will recalculate based on that.

Good points re the holiday days - will need to agree when is best to go on holiday. Do you have to mutually agree a time together to be on holiday? As I have 5 weeks holiday as well, could I ask her to take her holiday at the same time? Or does she get to choose her holiday days?

Legally you can dictate. Generally it’s best to mutually agree.

Are you allowed to pay nannies monthly standardized amounts on the uk? That is illegal in the US. We have to pay them hourly and pay overtime. They aren’t allowed to be on salary.

Regardless, I think you will find nanny growing resentful during the long summer holidays working long weeks with two kids for the same pay.

@babychange12 common practice is for the nanny to choose half the dates and the family to choose the other half. Of course you can mutually agree, but there may be the odd events like weddings etc that nanny may choose

@Castlepeak that's a good point - I might break it up a bit with my in laws for childcare and maybe some holiday clubs. Thank you for the advice

@Castlepeak Yes it is fine in the UK. Hours worked over the agreed contract though would be paid as overtime above the salaried amount.

When doing this, keep a log of all hours worked. Work out for a year in advance what the working hours will be - keep in mind that in May there is a bank holiday Monday that often occurs in term time.

I have a very similar role and I am paid the same - salary spread equally over 12mo, I wouldn't do it any other way!

@Castlepeak Not sure that is true.
I was a nanny in NYC for a number of years and was always paid an annual salary; it was all above board and done through a nanny payroll company. My contract stated that any hours over my usual 50 each week was paid at x amount/hour. If I did fewer than my contracted hours, I was still paid the full amount at the end of the month. 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Pinkflamingo80, since they paid you for hours above 50, what you had wasn’t technically salary, from a legal standpoint it was guaranteed minimum hours.

@Castlepeak
I see! Guess I didn’t know all the terminology etc!!!