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SequinsAndGlitter · 10/02/2021 15:57

I have been out of the childcare world a while.
Is it now commonplace to ask for an ofsted registered nanny? In my eyes, it seems the only benefit is for the employer rather than the employee?

Also, most parents that I have spoken with do not mention paying tax and national insurance. I read there is a limit of £120 a week which does not need to be declared. Is this correct?

Can't see how anyone can afford a nanny if they are just needing them for 9 or 10 hours a week but have to pay all the contributions on top.

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Apple40 · 10/02/2021 22:33

Ofsted registered nannies mean parents can access childcare Fees help with tax credits etc , but nannies can’t offer the funded spaces . If the nanny is self employed and works for more than 1 family then they pay there Own tax and ni .But an employed nanny the family pays all tax,ni and has to other sick pay, holiday pay etc

nannynick · 11/02/2021 12:00

Parents should agree a gross wage.
Then they DEDUCT income tax and national insurance from the nannies pay and employee pension contribution. The parents pay Employers NI and Employer pension contribution.

When it is a small number of hours per week there may be little or no Employers NI and there may be no pension.

It would be rare for someone to only have one job paying under the £120 per week limit... more typical is that someone has several jobs, so the £120 limit does not apply to all those jobs, only the first one. So parents employing a nanny even for a few hours are likely still to need to run payroll.

nannynick · 11/02/2021 12:02

Ofsted registration applies in England. Other schemes apply in other countries.
It benefits nannies by meaning that they get employment from parents who need to use Tax Free Childcare scheme (or the older childcare voucher scheme).

SequinsAndGlitter · 11/02/2021 13:19

So a parent always has to contribute tax and NI but only if the nanny earns £120 a week and does not have another job?
Its really frustrating as most parents seem to only want an ofsted registered nanny now and for me personally, there is no benefit. Apart from finding more jobs I suppose.
Thanks for the information.

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nannynick · 11/02/2021 13:56

The parents never pay Income Tax on their nannies earnings. The nanny pays that... the parents deduct it from the nannies gross salary.
Parents pay Employers National Insurance.

nannynick · 11/02/2021 14:00

Why would you do a job that pays £120 or less? I would look for jobs that pay a lot more than that unless there is some reason why you can only work 10 hours or less per week.

There are many parents who want care for more hours... generally those with babies and toddlers. It will depend on your area but I would look for jobs that pay well and have quite long hours. Working 3 or 4 long days per week might appeal to you for example... you might do 36 hours over 3 days.

SequinsAndGlitter · 11/02/2021 15:19

Of course I want more but if that's all I can get for now then at least I know we won't be doing anything illegal by not delaring it.
As I said, most parents want Ofsted registered 40/50 hours a week.

It's just an idea as well. Childcare is what I used to do but I changed careers. I may go back into it if I find the right job or I may not. Times have changed from when I used to do it.

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grandmasterstitch · 11/02/2021 15:25

Look for an after school position with older children. That's what I do now and I love it. I work 3 days a week which is 12 hours. It's not a lot but it works for me. I've only ever worked as a nanny doing 40+ hours once, otherwise it's been part time. I'm no longer ofsted registered because my family doesn't require it but my DBS and first aid certificate are up to date. My previous family required me to be ofsted registered so they paid the fee

SequinsAndGlitter · 11/02/2021 17:01

I'm finding even those jobs are wanting an ofsted nanny. I guess they get a lot of money off with the childcare vouchers?
Maybe it's a point of just looking around for a family that would be ok with me not being registered although they seem hard to find.

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wifterwafter · 11/02/2021 17:08

I used to be ofsted registered as a child carer and then later as a home carer (nanny). I did this so that my families could use childcare vouchers but also it's good practice and shows you're committed to certain standards. I was up to date with first aid, had Insurance, kept relevant records, attending training etc.

nannynick · 11/02/2021 18:06

With childcare vouchers the saving can be £933 ish per parent, depending on their salary.
With Tax Free Childcare they saving can be £2000 per child.

Today there are 9,856 registered nannies in England (Source: Ofsted Reports Site ) This is below the normal amount a bit, as it is typically in the 10k-11k range. August 2020 there was 10,900 Home Childcarers (Source: www.gov.uk/government/statistics/childcare-providers-and-inspections-as-at-31-august-2020/main-findings-childcare-providers-and-inspections-as-at-31-august-2020 )

I'm surprised you are finding that most jobs are needing someone Ofsted registered. It's good to finally see it happening, we have had registration now for over 15 years (April 2005).

SequinsAndGlitter · 11/02/2021 22:45

Most parents I have had contact with will not take me on because I am not Ofsted registered. It doesn't necessarily mean you have a better nanny either. I have seen profiles where the nanny has a basic common core qualification, a first aid qualification and little experience but would be taken on over an unregistered nanny but who is highly qualified and experienced in childcare.

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