Nanny with own child - going rate?

[Tier500]

I’m in London and a friend’s nanny is on maternity leave. My friend won’t need her at the end of her mat leave as her child is starting school but we will be looking for someone. I was wondering what the going rate is/percentage discount from standard when the nanny has their own child? The nanny’s child and our youngest are the same age and will be 1, my elder daughter will be 3 and at nursery most of the time.

I’ve Always said £1/2 ph less then the going rate

Other nannies disagree abs say they want/get the same

I see it and I’m a nwoc tho work nights now as a mn

But nanny won’t be 100% on her charges

Nanny has no childcare to pay

Nanny has own child with her

All perks

Thank you. Yes, I’d assumed there would be a discount. If not then I would choose a nanny without a child. Where I am the going rate seems to be £13/14/hr net (I will pay gross but seems to be standard to refer to the net rate) so would you say £11/12/hr? It will be 4 days a week if that’s relevant.

Always discuss gross don’t even mention nett

We paid £11 to our NWOC but I’d never do it again. Paying to have nanny do homework with their child while your kids watch tv (which they could do for free) while you work to pay the nanny just never sat well with me. To each their own though.

Your child will never be the priority for the nanny in this situation. I’d avoid

Our nanny has 3 children and it’s £10ph for her to have my two. We are in Scotland though. It works for us as it’s kind of a blend of nanny and childminding.

I would expect a rate similar to a nanny share

The discounted rate is never enough to make the lack of prioritisation worth it.

Do you know for sure that the nanny will take her child to work? I'm a nanny and always assumed I had to find childcare myself in order to do my job. In my current job (after school only) I used to take DS with me for 45 minutes until my mum could collect him but the kids I have are 9 and 12 so it's different than having another child the same age

I would never do this.

@AveEldon

I would expect a rate similar to a nanny share

It’s not a Share tho

The nanny doesn’t get to make choices

She is an employee

When we were considering this it was only £1 ph cheaper so decided it wasn’t worth it.

I employed a nanny who brought her own child, £12ph in london. She was amazing, totally brilliant, no issues at all and my kids always came first. My kids were 3y10m and 13m when she started, her baby was 6m. She was a v experienced and well regarded nanny already. Happy to answer Qs about how it worked, if it helps

It can work. Many families do it

Tho equally many don’t want it

I have friends who are nwoc abs take to work with them

I had one before and I'd say I'd rather go for nanny without own child, or a nanny share. She took great pains to assure me no favouritism. However the nanny's own child often acted up, she always sent her to hallway, telling off, painful to watch. She didnt get on with my youngest (same age,
jealousy perhaps, purposely breaking his toys and excluding him etc). It just didnt work. Any activities were geared to her own child so I ended up paying for an extra child.. and all meals. Think she charged £12ph net and paid holidays etc. It was not worthwhile and only reason was it's hard to find a before and after school nanny and she said she would only bring her daughter once a week! It was everyday.

I was so relieved when we ended things. My kids even played differently and developed a stronger bond after without the strange group dynamics.

She’s a really good nanny and knows our 3 year old already from play dates with my friend’s child. I think she would be professional and not favour her child but it obviously is a concern.

I don’t think it’s the same as a nanny share as the nanny wouldn’t have 50% input into the decision making. I was kind of hoping for a 25% discount from standard - £1/2/hr isn’t much really. Then again it’s valuable having someone I already know and can trust so perhaps that cancels it out.

@wtftodo did you pay for her child to attend classes/activities etc? And I assume provided all food?

Obv she would have paid holidays. Called being employed

@Tier500 she brought her own food and generally paid for her child. I had offered food (and snacks) but she was happy to bring it. I offered to pay for her child for activities that I wanted them to do, and if it was something I prebooked I’d generally get an extra ticket, but she usually paid for her child.

It worked really well, she was part time for about 2 years till she had another child.

Also re sickness - we agreed that generally if mine were sick she would still come, and if hers was sick (with a cold) she would come. Excluding vomiting bugs! She did occasionally leave her child with relatives if she thought he might be infectious or vice versa

That sounds good @wtftodo. I’d be happy to provide food (obviously would provide food for the nanny as standard anyway) and also pay for activities that I want them to do, just wondered what the norm was. Sounds like sickness is worth thinking about and agreeing on.

And of course she would have paid holiday. I’d expect that we would choose when she takes half and she would choose the other half.

My friend's nanny had her own child and my friend paid nearly normal rates. Remember that you will end up with a very loyal nanny if you do this - she won't want to leave as it will disrupt her own child too. My friend's nanny stayed for 10 years!

If I wanted the ratio to be 2:1 rather than 1:1 then I could do a nanny share and pay 60% of the cost of sole charge though. For me i need to weigh up the benefit of not having to search for someone against my child having to share their carer’s time and attention. There is no way I would pay 100% or even 90% for a nanny with their child there. I just need to know what’s standard. If the answer is 90% then I’ll prob go for someone else.

The answer is to offer what you you’re happy to pay. You’re the employer, so you set the terms and conditions.
I don’t think £12/gross is unreasonable for a NWOC in London. A lot of nannies who don’t take much of a pay cut when they bring their own child are doing before/after school.
Remember, you’ll have pension contributions and employer Ni on top of that.
Activity costs can be difficult if you want her to do more expensive classes, I’d write out a sample week with her and discuss it.
You’ll also have to work out costs like a double buggy, but also any extra kit like extra high hair/booster seat.

@PTH20 totally unfair comment. I have nannied with my own child 3 times and went out of my way to ensure the children were the priority at work, probably to the detriment of my own child at times! A professional nanny should be able to ensure the high standards of care you would expect. The families I worked for were always happy, gave excellent refs and we are still in contact. It's a shame if you've had a different experience?
For the record, I was always paid the same as a nanny without child.

We had a nanny with own child and it was wonderful. Paid £11ph outside London but an expensive area. We paid for food for all children, she paid for any activities for hers. Where there was a ‘sibling’ discount we split the cost.