Are your children’s vaccines up to date?

Set a reminder

Please or to access all these features

Paid childcare

Discuss everything related to paid childcare here, including childminders, nannies, nurseries and au pairs.

So confused with nanny cost! Help.

7 replies

user1490025201 · 30/09/2020 17:45

Sorry! please bear with me - I have a one week old baby, so am sleep deprived and finding this hard to work out.

We're moving house in a week (great timing...) and am trying to hire a PT live out nanny for 2 days a week (15 hrs) for our new home in Buckinghamshire. This would be for my 3 year old and 17 month old. I have 2 options:

Nanny 1 - at £14.50 gross (she's finishing up a full time job and will only have one other job one day a week only)
Nanny 2 - at £12.50 net (not working anywhere else currently)

Budget is concern. I called up a nanny tax company and they said that the gross rate nanny @£14.50 was cheaper than the £12.50 net nanny. However when I do some of the online gross vs net website calculators - the net nanny comes out cheaper (when converted to gross etc and all the other add-ons). Anyone got a clue where I'm going wrong? Confused.

OP posts:
Are your children’s vaccines up to date?
nannynick · 30/09/2020 20:03

Sorry this will be long as it's best to go through the calculations to see what is happening.

PT live out nanny for 2 days a week (15 hrs)
Nanny 1 - at £14.50 gross (she's finishing up a full time job and will only have one other job one day a week only)

15 hours x 14.50 gross per hour = £217.50 gross per week, £11,310 gross per year.
As this is over £10,000 then Auto-enrolment pension applies.
Pension done on Qualifying Earnings (which means based on £11,310-£6240=£5070) @ 3% employers pension contribution = £152.10 pension contribution in a 1 year period.
Payroll admin inc pension admin... budget for around £200-£250 per year.
Employers NI on £11,310=£348.04
So before activity costs, mileage if nanny uses their car, then you are looking at around £12,060 annual cost to you.

Nanny 2 - at £12.50 net (not working anywhere else currently)
Don't agree to net.
So first is to gross it up. To do that we need to know what other work that nanny has got, they have not got any, so we will assume they have full personal allowance - this is an assumption! This is where it becomes dangerous agreeing net as you don't know their financial situation. So if we also assume they have earnings exceeding their monthly personal allowance equivalent, then we can predict that Income Tax will not be payable of £1041.66 of income each month.

My PAYE calculator tells me that a gross salary of around £12.54 would get the desired result in of £12.50 take home, if they had a tax code of 1250L M1. This is an annual gross salary of £9781.20 which is below the auto enrolment threshold for pension. Though they would a right to opt in. Lets assume that they won't opt in... again we are making an assumption and those are dangerous.

So £9781.20 gross annual salary, Employers NI of around £137.16.
Same payroll costs as before to keep it simple.
So total cost to you of around £10,168.36 however this can dramatically change at any point due to being a net pay agreement!
So do not do this. Instead offer the candidate assuming you have decided that they are the best candidate for your role, a gross salary. How about £12.60 gross per hour, £9828 annual gross. Or you could offer higher to make sure the desired net amount is usually achieved.

Budget is concern. I called up a nanny tax company and they said that the gross rate nanny @£14.50 was cheaper than the £12.50 net nanny.

Well my calculator does not agree, neither did you. However the costs of agreeing a net pay is unknown, it exposes you to potential costs. Maybe they had based a calculation on the nanny only using part of their personal tax allowance, such as 35%, 40% which might happen if they got other work... or worse still 0% if the nanny got other work and allocated all their personal allowance to the other job - which is possible for them to do!

So I think comes down to the assumptions being made, which is dangerous. Whilst we are right to assume full personal allowance will be applied to the role, it may not remain the case going forwards as the nanny may get other income. Maybe the payroll company where trying to put you off agreeing a net wage.

I would pick a gross pay figure you are happy to pay, then talk to candidates only in terms of gross salary.

underneaththeash · 30/09/2020 21:33

Which nanny do you prefer?
If it’s nanny 2, just offer £14.50/hour gross. You would generally gross up a net salary anyway.

user1490025201 · 30/09/2020 22:28

Thanks so much nannynick - that's super helpful! You've got a better head for numbers than me.

underneaththeash - there wasn't much in it on whom I preferred. Potentially ever so slightly the £14.50 gross nanny - but budget does come into play on whom I go with. And if the £12.50 net nanny seems to be coming in potentially at £12.60 gross (based on Nannynick's provisional calculations) - if I could agree that gross rate that could be the better option cost wise - allowing me to increase hours potentially later on.

OP posts:
nannynick · 30/09/2020 22:38

Are you in a city location? How does the salary compare to other similar jobs being advertised?

Around £13 gross may be about right for some areas but may be high for others. £14.50 sounds high but likely if central London.

Consider who you gelled with, who you felt you could get along with and who got on with your children. You need to be able to trust them and communicate with them.

user1490025201 · 01/10/2020 10:32

nannynick no we're moving out of London - so we're going to be in the Maidenhead / Marlow area. Wasn't sure if £14.50 was overly high or not for the area. It is more than what I am currently paying for our experienced nanny in zone 3 SW London who is also teacher qualified (nanny via Bubble - so haven't had to work out all the tax calculations before).

It's hard - as I interviewed both new nanny options via zoom - both have over 20 years experience - the £14.50 gross is a career nanny, whilst the £12.50 net worked in nurseries for 15 years and has been nannying lately. Will have another think, but might choose the £12.50 option but agree as gross - just as the most cost effective option.

Thanks so much for all your advice! Much appreciated.

OP posts:
Blondeshavemorefun · 01/10/2020 19:06

Always discuss gross

The nett nanny may find other work and that would screw you if stuck at her nett rate

spanglepants · 06/11/2020 18:56

The Nanny asking for £14.50 gross is probably considering the fact that her other role has a large chunk of her tax free allowance.

Always contract a gross salary never net. In the current climate it is a parents market and both rates are the top end of the spectrum for the area.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread