London - how much do nannies cost? Pls reply

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We have a live-in au pair at the moment who we pay £100 a week for roughly 25 hours' work.
Now I'm thinking of going back to work and need full-time cover for the hours the au pair can't do. (Or, if we have to, swapping the au pair for a full-time live-in nanny). How much should I offer someone per hour to look after our two babies (two and 7 months)?
I'd be really grateful for ideas as I haven't a clue!
Thanks

depends on qualifications and experience. we are in London anf for 2 under 2 we pay �£8 to �£10 ph net for a qualified with lots of experienced nanny. �£6 to �£8 ph net for unqualified with little/moderate exp nanny. Don't forget to add a third on top for tax and NI.

shold have said these are live out rates, but when we were looking for live in rates were similar, did not appear cheaper, in cash terms, to give accomodation to nanny as well.

Can't help with live-in rates I'm afraid! I think you will find a live in nanny is cheaper than an au pair and cover for the other hours, at least until your children start school.

Live out nanny within the M25 is around 400 net per week.

www.nannyjob.co.uk has a table of nanny salaries over the last few years but it's not very up to date.
It may be worth ringing a couple of local agencies and asking them what the local rate is (and it will be less for a live-in nanny than a live-out one), but bear in mind that a lot of nannies don't get paid as much as agency rates (in my experience).

I employ a live-out nanny and also looked into a live-in nanny in central London. For anyone with childcare qualification the range currently appears to be £400-500 Live-out and £350-£450 Live-in. These are all net pay.

I was a live in nanny and was paid £300 net per week, this was about 4 years ago and will depend on where you live. I also got a car for personal use and all food.

£400 net per week seems about right for a daily nanny.
If it helps..£400 net per week translates to £596 per week including income tax and NIs, if nanny has a standard tax code.

I think live-in for nannies in London are now all at least £300-325 pw net, but for that you should be able to get someone young but qualified. A qualified nanny with good experience will cost you more and you have to pay extra if you want them to do any weekend work, or odd hours. If you are happy to take a very experienced au-pair with say 3 years under her belt who wants to make the switch to calling herself a nanny then you could get someone cheaper, but I think the difference in having someone with training is worth the extra cost.

thanks everybody, this is really helpful. i think i may have to get rid of our LOVELY au pair and get a nanny instead, as our au pair can't do both babies full-time (she's over here to do language school) and to get cover on top of what we pay her will make everything more expensive than a qualified nanny...

so stressful - i don't want to be horrid to her as she's lovely, but can't think how else to do it...

thanks again!

Don't fear, as every problem has a Mumsnet solution...

I think some fabulous friends of mine in might be on the hunt for a new au-pair as their Russian one has gone and gotten herself all loved up... do you want me to check for you and revert? They live in Hackney and have two boys aged 9 & 11, so only need very limited wrap-round care & evening babysitting, which should fit in with language school... let me know..

If it is of help... 2006 (published Jan 2007) wages survey by NannyTax/Professional Nanny Magazine is located here: Info - Wages Table

Live-in Nanny, Central London 328 net per week (around 433 gross).
Live-in Nanny, Outer London 283 net per week (around 365 gross).

Useful Calculators:
Gross to Net - ListenToTaxman.com
Gross to Net plus Employers NI - E-Gismos UKPay

For an idea of current rates, see if you can locate job adverts. Alas not all nanny job adverts will give a salary indication, but some do... so can help get feel for the market. Use sites such as www.nannyjob.co.uk www.greatcare.co.uk plus look at agency listings, such as www.tinieschildcare.co.uk (just did a search for Central London, Live-In, and £300-£350 net per week is being listed by Tinies)

we have a live-in nanny in central london and pay her 450 per week net - she has lots of experience and she is happy to work weekends and to take her days off during the week. She is a little pricey, but worth every penny and is definitely a wonderful addition to our household.

thanks guys (again!).

squiffy firstly thank you for the offer of help. we haven't yet decided what to do about the situation - i want to hang on to her if i possibly can, but if not, i'll talk to her and see... i think she'd rather be in west london as she's only young (20) and all her friends are here. but it's a wonderful offer and i'll come back to you if it seems a good idea, thank you.

also coolmama - can i ask where you found your nanny pls? i've been recommended to occasional and permanent nannies - is this the best way?

thanks
x

£90 net/day 4 day week outer London (10 hr day, no evenings/weekends) Beware though that this works out as £500 plus /week gross inc tax NI etc. Also pay petrol money, car insurance for her, weekly 'kitty' of £20-£30 for coffees lunches if out and about etc. Oh and pay seperately for cleaner as she doesn't do housework apart from nursery duties. All adds up to quite a lot....

Hi!

theres an article on nannies on my blog, also a chatroom if you want to post this question there too?

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