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Follow on post from nanny does not speak same language... Update

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Chlojomojo · 08/08/2020 12:37

Hi all,

Thank you all for the advice.

I'm in a dodgy situation.

Not only do I have the previous issue talked about on the other thread, it now turns out I will be payed cash in hand.

Meaning, technically, I'm an illegal immigrant 😂 I've called the agency and they've mentioned no have every right to walk out right now, but speak to them first to try and resolve. I've lost my trust in the family though.

Luckily the agency have said they will be happy to re place me with a different family of not resolved.

If I get a visa, and legally work here and be on the books I will have to be paid £200 more a week to do so, so they've done it this way to do it on the cheap. They may agree to eat a visa, but is it worth it?

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Andthewinnerislucky · 08/08/2020 12:39

So sorry to be so unhelpful but eating a visa is never worth it, imo.

They may agree to eat a visa, but is it worth it?

Hope your issue is sorted Wink

Elouera · 08/08/2020 12:40

Gosh, the plot thickens!!! Are you supposed to be paid via the agency or direct from the family? Do you have any contract and details or how your are paid? Did you not require a work visa in the 1st place?

Andthewinnerislucky · 08/08/2020 12:40

That was meant to be Grin, not a wink.

FelicityPike · 08/08/2020 12:48

Do you need a visa to work in Italy?

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Chlojomojo · 08/08/2020 13:11

The agency place us, they advise what the family do, but because the family are my employers they can't force it.

At the moment the because I'm British I don't need a visa till January to work due to still being in the EU. However that's over £12,000 cash I will have to carry around with me. I don't know how long visas take to get, but I will need one by January. There also tax implications and student finance that may bite me in the arse.

Also to work in South America (which is where the family is based most of the time) I will need an Italian Visa because that's the families nationality, and SHOULD be paid into an Italian bank account with needs a tax code to open. We could potentially be going South America as soon as 2 months so again, it needs to be done.

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Chlojomojo · 08/08/2020 13:12

😂😂😂
No I don't thinknk eating a visa would be the best thing.

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Chlojomojo · 08/08/2020 13:13

Not families nationality, I meant they're usual home*

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Elouera · 08/08/2020 13:15

Maybe I misunderstandm but why would YOU need to carry around £12,000? Surely if they are employing you, then they need to apply for and get the work visa?

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Chlojomojo · 08/08/2020 13:49

That's the thing, they SHOULD.

But they're doing it on cheap, so haven't got me a visa, a bank account, or a Italian tax code needed for the bank account.

I think lesson learned, going to travel Italy a bit before going home. Luckily agency have said they will fine me a new placement due to the situation.

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Schoolchoicesucks · 08/08/2020 13:55

Not read your previous posts but can you not apply for the bank account or tax code yourself? Visa I would have expected to need supporting information from the employer, but the other things are surely your personal responsibility? Yes it might be nice if they helped, maybe they may need to sign something or provide information but have you enquired with the bank or tax office?

ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress · 08/08/2020 14:10

Right, first things first.

You don't need a visa to work in Italy and probably won't after January. But you do need to be employed legally.

Who is telling you all of this? The agency (which sounds very dodgy itself) or the family?

You can get a codice fiscale yourself, and open a bank account yourself but that doesn't really solve your long term situation. How are they thinking of getting you into Sth America?

You are, at the moment, as you said, working illegally. They are employing you illegally. You aren't insured to be working for them- because you're not legally working for them- if you are working in Italy, you need a codice fiscale- you need it for a doctor, you need it to pick up a parcel- it's much more than an NI number. You also need to be declared on their residence as part of their household at the town hall. The list of things is endless- that's just off the top of my head. There are specific contracts for domestic workers. I strongly suspect before long they'll tell you if anyone comes knocking you're to tell them you're a family friend.

ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress · 08/08/2020 14:12

Don't get a placement with this cowboy agency either.

Takingontheworld · 08/08/2020 14:13

No sorry, this is wrong. The Agency have a responsibility to ensure this is done legally. Shame on them.

Leave now.

ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress · 08/08/2020 14:17

www.inps.it/nuovoportaleinps/default.aspx?itemdir=49960#

That's what should have happened. (You can translate it into English by clicking top right corner)

The agency will have taken a fuckton of money from this family either knowing they were going to employ you illegally, or not bothering to find out.

minnieok · 08/08/2020 14:22

The tax code and bank account you can sort yourself but the family will need to employ you legally - it varies from country to country but in the U.K. that means paye and they pay tax and ni for you (pay can still be in cash, as long as the paperwork is done properly). Check up the exact Italian rules. You do not need a visa until January, quite possibly not then so it's more about paying income tax etc

ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress · 08/08/2020 14:25

As you can see from the link, you should also have had a contract before you came, did you have one? If so, what did it say?

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