Nanny with own child - rate per day?

[susiequeue]

Hi all,
have found a lovely nanny to look after our two preschool children, she has a child of her own. We are keen on this due to possibility of playmate for our younger child. What would be a good rate to offer her? We've had interest from nannies without children at £80 per day net (we live in SW London)
any help gratefully taken - not sure how much to reduce due to own child.

So does that make 3 pre-school aged children in total? That's hard going at the best of times, could be worse if any of them are under 1.

I feel that there should be some drop in the level of pay, as it is effectively a nanny share, the nanny themselves being the share family. Not sure on what pay level is suitable, though it can't go below national minimum wage. Daycare for one child could easily cost £50 or more - so would probably not be worth the nanny working if their own child had to go to nursery.

As an ex nanny with own child i would not expect a daily wage below £65 net.
My friend has just excepted a daily nanny postin with a under 1 for £70 net a day in se london( she has child of her own) hope this helps

i am a nanny with own child and as i am fully experienced and qualified was not expected to or expect to take any sort of a drop in wages..i think it should be a plus point as there is more of a chance for interaction and social development for your child.be fair to us nannies trying top earn a living!!!!xxx

I'm not a nanny!! I've never employed one but I'm really surprised at your rates, when I looked in to a nanny 80 pounds net seemed fine (also London) but tbh this seems to me like a nanny share and as such if it was one child in each family I would expect 50:50 so for two and one I would expect 66:33 (presuming nanny's child will be there all day!!)? If it is only 10 ponds a day or so cheaper I'm not sure I'd bother because of all the problems if their child is sick etc

I'm paying £7/gross hr (not London)normally £8/gross hr here - nanny has two children! but one is only here 1/2 day - playgroup am.

I think you need to pay a fair wage relative to other nannies.Often a nanny with her own child is that little bit older and more experienced.I had my nanny pre her children for my eldest and knew she was good.

Ask her what she was earning in her last post (can check with her last employer from her references)and what she thinks is reasonable? She may not be expecting any drop in wage!

It's not an advantage to the family at all if their own child is expected to work around the nanny's child's schedule! There should definitely be a drop in rates to reflect this. And fundamentally I can't see how it would work without taking in some account of the nanny's child. We interviewed a nanny with a child and the woman kept stressing she'd do whatever we wanted for our daughter - but can she really be expected to take a screaming, tired infant to a playgroup just because htat's what's on that day? Or to stick around an extra hour past her child's bedtime because we were home late? I felt uncomfortable with that and I also didn't think it would work in practice. This sort of relationship represents a nanny share and the price should reflect that. I suspect this is the reason why many ex nannies chose to become childminders and work from their own home.

I'm sorry angipoo - nanny rates are unbelievably expensve for an average family - £100+ per day with tax. For that amount of money employers have a rights too frankly!

We've always had a nanny with her own child. About 6 years ago we paid £6.50 net initally. Then the next nanny started on £7 net rising to £7.50 by the time she finished. Previous nanny was £7 and new one starting soon will be £7.50 net. I think for the nanny/mummy combination you get a more stable experienced carer who is not just looking at it as a job. They make more of a commitment because it is their child who is affected too. I think it is right to pay less because your children are getting proportionally less time but it works for us. We are in SW London.

i think you also have to bear in mind you are gettingb a professional service for this sort of money,its someone that is looking after the most important thing in your lives,that is also the most treasured.so if people are so worried that their own child will not be getting enough attention and the nannies child will always be put first,why would you hire them in the first place????! or is the fact that the drop in what you would have to pay a nanny with her own child far prioritises your child getting put first? i know i would NEVER EVER favouritise any child i looked after,i would attend to whichever child needed me the most,just as any decent nanny would!!!!

I don't understand why you should drop the wage? If she has her own child surely she needs the money not less. Your children will enjoy having a playmate.

The same could apply to childminders - some childminders have young children of their own, so they will also be in a position of deciding which priority to deal with the children in their care.

However, for a childminder their own child is counted in their ratio - so there is a financial cost involved, as it means that a childcare place is occupied.

Thus, would the same not apply for a nanny with their own child... is that child not taking up a childcare place?

thankyou lornaloo!!!! somebody who is on the same wavelengh!!! if a nanny with her own child had a choice and was able to afford goingback to work as well as affording childcare then some of us might do that,but unfortunantly some of us arent fortunate enough to have that as a choice! so give us poor mummy nannies a break!!

I hired my nanny because she was the best applicant irrelevant of children.She works her baby around my toddler and takes him to all the activities/groups and a screaming baby has not been an issue.She is professional and manages the day really well.I was a little worried initially as my dd who she previously cared for had had 1:1 care at the same age but I am very happy with the care he gets.It isn't really a nanny share as the nanny does your routine not hers and your children are in their own home.I don't feel she earns alot for what she does.

yeaaaaayyyy! exactly rainingcatsanddogs!!! another point is surely there is no1 as experienced as a mum! first hand 24 hour experience of the best and worst bits of childcare! every little aspect of childcare is covered by a mum...i know if i had a choice i would pick a nanny with her own child over some1 who is only qualified everytime!xxx

Hi all,
sorry to have started WW3! If you go to my original post, you'll see that I am very very keen on this nanny, in particular because she has her own child. I want a playmate for our youngest, and I completely agree that being a mum adds another, understanding dimension to her care. I was simply told (by a nanny friend in fact!) that I could consider lowering her wage slightly and, given that we're hardly minted ourselves every penny counts.
Thanks for all the (non-judgemental)advice.

sorry susiequeue didn't intend to sound judgemental just trying to answer question (and did qualify my answer by explaining that I'm hardly nanny expert)
I have however been told by several that a nanny with own child is similar to nanny share and as such I'm surprised that the rates aren't more pro-rata IYSWIM. I'm not sure that anyone on here was judgemental about your nanny decisions just slightly surprised by some of angipoos ideas!

Some nannies will take lower pay, so that they can take their own child with them to work.
On a recent thread JennaJ (Fri 21-Sep-07 22:30:43) said "I used to charge much less then (about £3.50 an hour) as it was shared care with my son". That was many years ago, but shows that some nannies will accept lower wages.

Why should somone who works in an office have to pay for childcare but someone who works as a nanny NOT have to pay childcare? It is a huge perk to be able to take your child to work with you, and there are inevitably increased problems for the employer - sickness of the nanny's child, appointments for the nanny's child, etc etc. Negotiating all sorts of things - what if you wnat the nanny totake your child to a club or session that she does not want her child to go to or her child does not enjoy? etc etc. There is more wear and tear on the house.

We had a very good experience of a nanny with her own child (part of the success was that the children were the same age and went to the same activities), and at her suggestion, we paid abut 25% below the going rate. But you do have to negotiate lots of factors. Provision of food, expenses, costs of travel etc etc.

sorry if i have offended you susie! it wasnt intentional...its just iv been a nanny for the last 11 years and its very rare that a decent qualified experienced nanny will be asked to or offer to take a drop in wages,i was just drawing on my own experiences,so all apologies to any1 i may have offended.and yes it is a HUGE perk to this job which is why many mums who cant afford or have any other option go into the childcare profession,because sometimes we nanny mummies have the choice in taking our child with us to work and in my case has worked excellently so far.all children have developed wonderfully and have come on in leaps and bounds.i also adore the children i nanny for,and quite honestly have one of the best employers around,they are great.so sorry for sounding a bit judgemental,no offence meant!

I wouldn't necessarily reduce. Our first nanny who was here for 10 years (live out) after about 8 years had her first baby and then her second and brought both to work but by then ours were at school and she was paid for after school in term time so that worked well, except the older children were to some extend neglected whilst she dealt with a baby and nearly 2 year old. It wasn't ideal but worth it to keep the continuity.

Xenia its nice to see you post, havnt seen you for a while, cant say I ever agree with waht you say as I am totally opposite to you, but I do love to see what you have to say.

Thanks. That's good.

I think it's reasonable to drop the pay 20 - 30%.

Nannies who return to a long standing job after maternity leave more often come back to the same pay, bringing their baby with them. This isn't always the case, and depends on the goodwill of the parents.

A nanny bringing her dc to work with her is enjoying a privilege, not a right.

If you're employing her through an agency, they should advise you. Otherwise, ask her about her salary expectations.