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PeaBea · 27/12/2019 18:40

I could really do with some ideas and advice please.

I've just taken a new full time job in central London. I live in the Home Counties. My husband works full time too and the after school juggle is proving to be a hard one.

We have 2 primary aged children in 2 different schools. It'd be great to have someone collect the children from 3pm, bring them home, cook them some supper, do homework with them and just generally care for them until we get home around 6pm for 4 days a week.

Am I looking for a mother's help, childminder, after school nanny, or what? It'd be great to have their help for full days during school holidays too. Am I looking for the holy grail?! How much should I expect to pay? And can I use the government tax free childcare scheme to help pay?

I'm currently using after school clubs for both my DC and it cost £30 a day.

Thanks.

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El2El · 27/12/2019 19:03

I did exactly this during my uni summer holidays (which over lapped with school term time). Collected two kids from respective school and nursery, took them home, did homework, reading, playing, cooked supper, did bath and pjs ready for 7pm when there parents got home. Also did very light tidying/cleaning. Did full days (7am-7pm our something like that) during school summer hols). I was paid £10 p/h. I absolutely loved it! Think it was advertised as p/t and school holiday nanny on gum tree.

El2El · 27/12/2019 19:04

Should add, that was £10 an hour in zone 2 North London, 10 years ago.

PeaBea · 27/12/2019 20:09

That's a good idea @El2El. I hadn't thought of a student. Not known for their reliability though...! 🤣

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FanSpamTastic · 27/12/2019 20:33

Do you have room to accommodate an au pair? They could do their language lessons during the day while the kids are at school and then do school pick up and dinner. You may still need holiday cover as they should not work that many hours.

A childminder works from their own home - not yours.

A nanny probably would not do just after school - unless maybe they have their own child and want reduced hours.

PeaBea · 27/12/2019 21:21

Ah that's a shame. No, no spare room.

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Shattered04 · 27/12/2019 22:09

We have four children but a similar sort of situation otherwise. Due to needing four lots of after school club (or even four lots of childminder) plus DS has SEN and often challenging behaviour, we opted for a nanny. Not just better value for money, but also better for the children to just go home and chill (or be taken to their clubs etc).

Not going to say it was all sunshine and rainbows though. While yes, it is very possible to get after school nannies as we did, as has been mentioned you're more likely to get ones with their own children. I suspect this is partly because they often find it harder to get work so are more willing to be flexible with hours. However, if their children are school age, then there can be logistical issues with collecting theirs and your children unless they can put their own children in clubs/with family etc. And you have to consider what happens in the school holidays and find something mutually agreeable.

Also, one thing I didn't initially appreciate was the overhead of time involved in the bureaucracy. Not just interviewing and contracts, but calculating holiday pay (especially as hours varied, particularly in school holidays), and the three nannies we had all got pregnant at some point too. So then there's SMP.. and although the government pays that, it doesn't pay their holiday pay which they are legally entitled to, so that's another 28 days pay (pro-rated if necessary) if they take a full year out and meanwhile you're paying for cover in other ways. And pensions! You have to set up a pension holding account regardless, giving them the option of joining, and once they earn over £833 a month, you have to sign them up to it unless they say not to. There's the quarterly tax bills to HMRC you have to pay. You need to make sure you have employer's insurance. Then there's sickness - what is fair in terms of sick pay? What if their child is ill and they can't work? What if they give you nearly zero notice that they can't work that day (as happened with us on many, many occasions?)

Although the payroll can be covered by a nanny payroll company with an annual fee, there's still lots you must handle yourself. I became an HR expert pretty much.. had to be.

And although nannies do become very attached to the children they look after, and even if you treat them really well (I know I was a soft touch and one in particular really took advantage) in some cases, like with any career, they may well be looking or be approached with better or more suitable opportunities. Then you have to decide whether to match it or not. I had a 4% payrise at work over three years, my nanny had around 25%.. but I couldn't stand the hassle of finding a new one each time, and didn't want to upset the children with change.

There are huge positives though. The children were a lot happier than at after school club. They still did their external clubs e.g. swimming, gymnastics. Homework got done. We only requested nanny housekeepers, so the children's washing got done and put away, and toys got tidied away. They had tea made. They went for fun walks to the park, picnics, local farms etc. They had somebody willing to listen to monologues about Minecraft. They had great friends in the nanny's other child/ren (yes, this is often a big plus of a nanny with her own child). And for the most part, aside from pregnancies and house moves (the only reasons we lost nannies in the end) there was a level of stability you don't always get with other childcare settings.

As of last week, we finally no longer have a nanny. The final one is now on maternity, and was down to one afternoon a week anyway as I recently took a job working from home. It may well be as a result of my job change that we no longer need her post maternity leave. I will be massively relieved to lose the headache of all the admin/HR stuff which you have to do on top of full time work, commuting, and being a parent. Most of all, I'm relieved to lose the anxiety over hoping the nanny doesn't call in sick/has an emergency, or worse, wondering if the nanny will stay; you're at the mercy of somebody else's career or location decisions.

However, it was the right solution for our children despite the extra burden and stress it caused me. And our nannies (three in total, sometimes we had two at a time job-sharing) were all lovely people, and I still have a nice friendship with them all.

We got all our nannies through childcare.co.uk - make sure you check references etc but it's a very good source.

jannier · 27/12/2019 22:13

To use the tax free scheme you need ofsted registered care. Childminders can take this but work from their own homes often providing meals. After school charges vary locally often £15 to £20 per child.

PeaBea · 27/12/2019 23:08

Thanks for all the info @Shattered04. Can you let me know how much you paid all in? It'll help act as a benchmark.

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PeaBea · 27/12/2019 23:09

Thanks for the ofsted tip @jannier.

This is looking like such a bloody minefield!

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PeaBea · 27/12/2019 23:26

Any thoughts about which websites to use / advertise on?

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jannier · 28/12/2019 00:15

Childcare.co.uk.
Only members can reply to your ad so I'd start with a good profile detailing hours, area and age of child then look through providers liking any suitable ones and see who contacts you. If you have no luck pay for a months membership if you get no response. Also contact you local families information service who list providers and have a look at pacey who have a vacancy section.

rainbowlou · 28/12/2019 00:20

I work in a school and do after school
Nannying, it also means I’m free during the holidays if I’m needed for full days.

Shattered04 · 28/12/2019 00:32

We paid £11-£14/hour gross for an experienced nanny with qualifications (due to the SEN involved, I didn't want to take a risk with an inexperienced nanny even though it may have been fine). This is standard for the area we're in, judging from other nannies that advertised locally. Payroll varies depending on who you're with and how many nannies - I think I'm paying £200/year for two nannies.

On top of that you need to provide 28 days holiday (pro-rated) which you'll need back-up cover for, and sick pay is optional.

Pension contributions vary depending on how much you're paying - my nannies were always, thankfully, under the £833/month mainly due to the fact they were job-sharing by the time the legislation came in.

There's also mileage expenses (usually 45p/mile) and incidentals if the nanny takes children to places that cost money which they may well have gone to with me if I hadn't been working.

You can advertise (including through an agency but the fees can be horrific) or just browse profiles on sites like childcare.co.uk which is really cheap to contact nannies there.

PeaBea · 28/12/2019 21:36

Thanks for all the tips.

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