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Please talk me through nanny costs

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Missjoebloggs · 31/05/2019 16:00

Hey,

I’m looking to go back to work next year after a year on maternity. I’m a shift worker so would need a nanny for 1 set day each week 7am-830pm and then 1 night a week 7pm-830am. The night would change days each week.

I can see that the average pay in the South East is £12ph gross. Would it be acceptable to pay the nanny less than this overnight as she’ll be sleeping most of the night? Baby is down by the time I leave, sleeps well and would only be awake for 2 hours in the morning before I return home. For example could I pay the hourly rate up until 10pm, then a flat rate of say £40 overnight and then the hourly rate again from 6am?

Would it be wise to use a nanny payroll service? The thought of sorting out pay slips, tax and NI and pensions seems overwhelming, is it as hard as it sounds?

I’ve also heard that people usually provide a kind of “kitty”? How much per week do people usually put in this?

Are there any other additional costs I should be aware of?

Basically trying to work out whether it’s worthwhile me returning to work just yet!

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nannynick · 31/05/2019 19:27

I can see that the average pay in the South East is £12ph gross. Would it be acceptable to pay the nanny less than this overnight as she’ll be sleeping most of the night?

No, not in your situation as you want flexibility as to when that overnight occurs and finding someone who would do that will be tricky.

£12 gross for some areas of the South East will be quite low and in other parts will be reasonable.

Baby is down by the time I leave, sleeps well and would only be awake for 2 hours in the morning before I return home. For example could I pay the hourly rate up until 10pm, then a flat rate of say £40 overnight and then the hourly rate again from 6am?

No, if you were to reduce it then I would not suggest going below National Minimum Wage for the nighttime asleep hours, plus for any hour in which your child does wake, that hour goes to full pay.

So 10pm-6am is 8 hours which if nanny is aged 25+ is £8.21, so £65.68 would be minimum. Sure you may take the view that there are ongoing court cases over nighttime working but I would err on the side of caution and pay at least minimum wage.

Would it be wise to use a nanny payroll service?
Yes. Whilst it is possible to do yourself it takes time to learn how to do it and you now need to do pension administration as well as reporting to HMRC.

I’ve also heard that people usually provide a kind of “kitty”? How much per week do people usually put in this?

Yes, this method is most useful for children's activity costs which are not pre-paid, such as toddler groups. The amount will vary a lot between families. Perhaps start at £3 per day and ask nanny to track expenditure, some weeks will be lower than others. For example, I care for a toddler one day per week and some days we spend £1.50 on toddler group, some days we spend nothing at all, and occasionally we go somewhere on an outing which could cost £10.
So it can be handy to set an amount and let it build up over a period of weeks, so a most costly outing can be done.

Are there any other additional costs I should be aware of?
Employers National Insurance is the big one. The payroll provider can help calculate this once you have set the nanny's gross salary and determined the annual working hours. As you are only employing for 27 hours per week, Employers NI will not be too high but a rough calculation put it at around £1,133 (for 2019/20 tax year).

Mileage allowance: If nanny uses their own car to transport your child, pay them reasonably well for that. 45p per mile is the maximum, based on nanny doing less than 10,000 miles per year. Given cost of fuel and maintaining a car these days I would pay the maximum but like the kitty expenditure, trip distances will vary - they may not even use the car some weeks.

Keep in mind that your nanny must get at least 5.6 weeks paid holiday. Given the overnight working, you need to include those hours when calculating the holiday hours.

What area are you in? I am being made redundant from one of my nanny jobs soon, so I am looking for work - just in case you happen to be in the Ascot/Camberley/Woking area of East Berkshire/West Surrey.

I think your biggest problem is going to the night work changing night of the week. If someone has other work then they could find it hard having the 8.30am finish time and/or the 7pm start time. So budget for the cost of recruiting someone via a nanny agency as well as via an online system such as www.childcare.co.uk and www.nannyjob.co.uk as you may need to use various methods of recruitment to find candidates.

AbbyHammond · 31/05/2019 23:49

I'd probably look for a childminder rather than a nanny. I can't see who this would appeal to as a nanny role.

Missjoebloggs · 01/06/2019 09:56

Thank you for that really informative reply nannynick, that’s just the kind of info I was looking for! Unfortunately we’re on the Sussex coast so probably a bit far for you to travel?

Interesting about the night shift minimum wage, I hadn’t thought about that. Can you tell I’m new to all of this?!

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MyDcAreMarvel · 01/06/2019 10:00

I imagine you would need to pay a nanny more at night , not less. I doubt anyone would take the job with random nights, best using an agency.

Blondeshavemorefun · 01/06/2019 13:15

prob Looking at more like £13/14 gross for one day

The night will be hard as changes. I would see if it can be set for same night or possibly one of two nights

As nick said your late finish in a.m. means the nanny can’t work that day herself so unlikely to have same person each night

A cm may work better for overnights but then the risk of going for into her 3 under 5 till 830

Do you have a partner ? I’m assuming not or he would do the night shift. But If so can he start work later the day after hour night shift

Blondeshavemorefun · 01/06/2019 13:17

And as a maternity night nanny I still charge the same per hour for night even if baby sleeps as it’s still my time

Are you anywhere near a college that a student could do the night shift and then go to sollege for 9am and have a one day nanny

Missjoebloggs · 01/06/2019 13:30

No I’m a single parent so that’s why I need the overnight care. Unfortunately where I work I can’t have totally set shifts which is why the night shift would need to change. We do live in a city with universities so a student might be an option, I hadn’t thought of that-thank you.

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nannynick · 01/06/2019 15:32

Do you have enough room to provide a student accommodation? Having someone live with you is a big undertaking but could possibly resolve the overnight issue.
You may also be able to use the Rent A Room Scheme, as the student could pay you rent. You could then pay them for the overnight when that occurred. You could also have a nanny for the one full day.

It is that night work which is the problem. How do other parents in the same job cope?

Cora1942 · 01/06/2019 18:00

Hi totally possible to have a nanny for one day a week. I have had lots of jobs like that. The night would be tricky if not fixed. I have had other jobs and commitments on other days and would not be able to manage to do a night shift as well. Some days i could.
You will find this is the norm. It would be an exceptional person who was free for all the rest of the week.
Get a nanny or childminder for the fixed day shift. Get a few students who are happy to do the night shift. Ensure they have a DBS, first aid and hopefully childcare experience. If the nanny or childminder cant do the night you have ba k up.

Missjoebloggs · 01/06/2019 20:39

Other people who do my job either don’t have very young children, aren’t single parents or rely heavily on family to help out. I’ve lost several colleagues because of similar issues!

We do have a small spare room yes. Maybe that’s the way forward, offering it a reduced rate in return for 4 nights overnight babysitting a month. Or would I need to pay them a set wage and then do the whole NI and pension thing again?

I hadn’t really thought about the fact the nanny would probably have other jobs too, that makes sense that the nightshifts wouldn’t work very well!

Thank you everyone for all your help so far!

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ApplePPPie · 11/06/2019 15:54

@nannynick - I would be interested in finding out more about your experience and availability if you’re still looking for a new role. Please PM me. Thanks

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