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Paid childcare

Discuss everything related to paid childcare here, including childminders, nannies, nurseries and au pairs.

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Live in in London cost

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nickname7890 · 09/04/2019 15:23

Help has anyone got advice on live in nanny cost in London ?
We have 2 kids 2.5 and 6 months and think it may be cheaper to get a live in than 2 childminder places
Just wondering how much more we need budget for food for kids and nanny and electricity etc ?our eldest will be at a nursery every day for 3 hours 9-12
What about baby classes? Can't believe how much this will all cost trying to work it best option. Would love to keep them at childminder but it's so expensive for two!

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nickname7890 · 10/04/2019 12:08

Anyone ?!

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LaurieFairyCake · 10/04/2019 12:10

Every time I've seen a London nanny costed it's about £35k plus

Would a childminder really be more?

Hollowvictory · 10/04/2019 12:18

Would it really be more by the time you've paid national insurance, pension for the nanny plus utilities plus would you be providing nanny with a car or travel card plus a mobile etc etc all adds up.

NannyR · 10/04/2019 12:19

This website suggests between £350-400 NET per week, on top of that you will have tax, ni, other employers costs, heating and electricity costs, things like food, activities, outings and mileage costs or bus fares which might have been included in your childminder fees. Plus, the loss of privacy of having someone else living in your home seven days a week.
I don't think it would be any cheaper than a childminder to be honest, probably quite a bit more.

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nickname7890 · 13/04/2019 22:31

So our childminder is 72 per child per day
And is only 8-6
We both leave for work at 7 am three days a week (I work from home 2 says) so we need someone to take the kids 7-8 am and drop them at the childminder for those 3 days.we have struggled to find this person or anyone to be reliable and previously resorted to an Aupair when we just had one child. Now we have two we have two fees at childminder I just don't know how we can afford this. At 72 a day per child o worked out that alone is 37422 per year
How is this possible ???im so stressed now about money

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stucknoue · 13/04/2019 22:52

A live in nanny should be cheaper than what you are paying even after employers ni and pension, especially if you take someone in a "first job" situation. Advertise and see.

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nickname7890 · 15/04/2019 17:27

It's he living costs I am concerned about eg how much food budget goes up and bills etc ? We had a live in once and she used to write my shopping lists for organic salmon blueberries and raspberries etc and get through them every day it was quite stressful as it was so expensive I just don't know what a reasonable amount is ?!

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nickname7890 · 15/04/2019 17:28

Ps where is a good place to advertise ?

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stucknoue · 15/04/2019 17:43

Give a set food allowance, if they want more expensive they need to add money from their salary. My friend provides a basic smartphone and sim, WiFi obviously in the house and Netflix on the family account

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nickname7890 · 17/04/2019 17:38

Thanks that is helpful. What is an acceptable allowance ? I'm unclear on what should be set aside in our budget for food (we live in London) to work out whether we can afford a live in!

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ImNotChangingMyUsernameAgain · 18/04/2019 00:30

We are in the London suburbs and I pay our nanny £28k. Employer's national insurance and pension contributions are on top as well as room and board. Plus make an allowance for a kitty for when the nanny is out and about with the kids, petrol if she is going to be using your car or mileage if using her own, otherwise fares for public transport.

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nickname7890 · 21/04/2019 20:20

Thank you so much
May I ask roughly how much you budget for the "extras" when nanny is with the children ie food out and about and transport or classes ? And how much extra you budget or it costs for the nanny's food as a live in nannny ? I just need to get an understanding of how much roughly we can be expected to pay, how many extras we need to consider etc to work out whether we can actually afford this option or if it is so tight to a budget that We run a risk of not being able to afford it

Also what hours does she work for 28 k and is there any babysitting included ? Thanks in advance d

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EastEndQueen · 23/04/2019 16:52

For activities/baby groups just look what is available near you and price it up - ours do Waterbabies swimming and Gymboree each week as their only ‘fixed’ baby groups and then usually drop into one or two others with £5 entry like baby music at the city farm. There is a lot which is free in London or very minimal cost, particularly at the libraries and museums. Look at HOOP for ideas, you can set it to only bring up free activities. The park and lots of play dates help keep costs down.

Any good nanny will be able to stick to low cost or mainly free activities as long as you give clear guidance from the beginning. You children should get free travel in London too?

I put around £40 in the kitty each week as it’s really only for the ‘pay in cash on the door’ activities, only really gets to be more if i’ve been disorganised on the shopping and keep asking our nanny to do top ups.

EastEndQueen · 23/04/2019 16:54

As others have said, if you want to keep a handle on food expenses then plan and shop for the children’s food yourself and provide say £20-30 week for her to buy lunch ingredients and snacks

WalterIris · 23/04/2019 17:03

For £37,000 per year, you could get a Live out nanny instead of a Live in

Work out the exact hours you need. If you work from home for example, do you need a nanny at 7am those days? A nanny 7am-7pm 3 days per week, then 9am-5pm 2 days, will of course be cheaper than 7-7, 5 days.

Huge advantage with a nanny is that for that cost you also get extras compared to a childminder such as childs meals prepared, childs laundry done etc etc.

cakesandphotos · 23/04/2019 17:13

Agree with PP, would a live out nanny be an option? I do 7.30am to 6pm as a nanny and would be happy to work from 7am. I've also done 7.30am to 7pm. You wouldn't need to provide room and board or a car if you had a live out nanny

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nickname7890 · 24/04/2019 12:45

THank you all

The problem is 37 k per year is far too much for us
We are looking to pay more 25-26 max

I am quite concerned to think that in top of classes it's £40 per week for a kitty and also £30 per week for nanny food
In addition to buying food for children?
This sounds so much ...

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WalterIris · 24/04/2019 14:34

The kitty and food will depend on where you live and what you what them to pay for. Some people will give say £40 a week for nanny to pay for things as they go along ie toddler groups, a local swimming pool, entrance to nearby farm. If you choose to pay for a whole terms swimming class separately in advance , and buy an annual pass for the local farm then they wouldn't need as much each week as activities paid for.
Food - a live-in nanny will obviously eat more food that a live-out so that would vary. A live -out nanny would usually eat lunch alongside the children, basically the same as what she makes them. And some breakfast and dinner if starting early or finishing late.

A live in nanny for £26,000 may be possible if you are happy to go for someone fairly young or new to nannying. But if they are good and stayed then over the years they would be looking at a gradual yearly payrise like anyone else. To encourage people applying for a lower wage, you would need to have advantages over other jobs on the market, such as a shorter day like mentioned above, or extra holiday, nice accomadation, or any other benefits you can offer

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nickname7890 · 26/04/2019 12:25

Wow £40 per week... is thstfor 2 kids including classes and snacks out ? And nanny food out the house ?! It seems so much

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StrippingTheVelvet · 26/04/2019 12:34

It's only about £2.50 a day per head. I appreciate things add up but that really isn't a huge allowance.

CloudRusting · 28/04/2019 22:16

Op other costs you need to bear in mind apart from salary and kitty and food are

employer NI
employer pension contributions
extra on gas/electric/water bills - another adult bathing, house heated when kids currently at childminder etc
more wear and tear on the house given people are in more

However from an ease perspective there are many upsides to have a nanny.

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nickname7890 · 30/04/2019 13:26

Thank you
I totallly see your points and the wear and tear and messy house bit oh god I'm a neat freak and or house is pretty small as it is !!!!!

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ChocChocButtons · 09/05/2019 11:58

I was on 500 live in. Now I’m live out it’s more.

ImNotChangingMyUsernameAgain · 11/05/2019 16:19

Sorry...only just seen your question.

She does 7.15am - 7.15pm plus 2 nights babysitting.

I worked out that NI and pension contributions is around another £4K on top of a £28k salary.

I give her £50 for petrol every 3-4 weeks. Kitty varies from hardly anything in term time to up to £100 per week in school holidays depending on what outings she plans. Expensive outings are discussed and agreed in advance.

Blondeshavemorefun · 12/05/2019 22:35

So the cm costs £144 a day for 2 children

Yes you could prob find a young /new quote /nwoc for slightly less a day

But by the time you added food activity costs mileage prob going to be more

Does cm take the 15free hours Or nursery does

Why do you need a 2.5yr to go to nursery 9/12 every day and use a cm

Assume you have to pay for cm while eldest at nursery

Reduce this and keep with cm And use the free childcare hours with her

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