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Has my au pair been resonable?

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Mongui · 28/12/2018 17:47

Hi! My husband and I decided to have an au pair to look after our 7 years old son and 4 years old daughter. They are both at school. We paid a very expensive agency to source a very good au pair. She is 33. She is a foreign qualified teacher with plenty of experience. She is polite, reserve and very good with the children. We pay her a very good salary (£200 per week). She works a maximum of 25 hours a week. Occasionally she does baby-sitting but not too often, at most once a week and very often, less than that. We have a cleaner who comes 3 times a week and, as it should be, our au pair doesn't clean the house. She doesn't even clean the children's or her own bedroom. The cleaner does everything. We pay taxes, we pay holidays. We are flexible (she needs certain flexibility due to personal circumstances on certain weeks she leaves early on Fridays and work less hours on Mondays). We are considered. We include her in our family plans. In short, we go the extra mile with her because we like her and because the children really like her. We also know she is a qualified teacher and her salary reflects any such qualification.
She is being with us for 4 months and we were very happy with everything. So was she.
However, a couple of days ago she had a funny reaction and I am not sure what to think . I was in the kitchen and suddenly I heard my au pair saying in a very laud and assertive way: "hey! do not hit me!!! You are not going to hit me? Did you hear what I say??!!". Immediately she came to the kitchen with my 4 years old daughter. My au pair was visibly agitated. She said that she needed to speak to me urgently because my daughter has hit her and that was totally unacceptable. I obviously talk to my daughter in a calm and constructive fashion. I told her (in front of my au pair) that she should not hit our au pair. My daughter was very embarrassed. She is a very gentle and very considered little girl. But she is only 4. I don't know why she hit my au pair. Sometimes children do these things and it doesn't mean they are aggressive or that they don't like the person. But she is certainly not aggressive and it was the first time this has happened with my au pair.
My au pair was visibly unhappy. I asked her to forgive my daughter and in a gentle way, and to close the issue, I said: "let's be kind and gentle with each other".
I thought that would be the end of it. But a few days later, I was working from home and my au pair came to my office and, knocking the door, she said it was urgent. I thought it was something rather serious. But she said that my daughter has hit her again and that this is a red line for her, that nobody ever in her life has hit her and that she was not going to put up with any such rude behaviour, that there were limits and that this was a red line for her. She also said that she didn't like the way she sometimes looked at her, in a defiant way, which was disrespectful.
My daughter was next to her, again looking very embarrassed. I talk to her again, calmly and told her this wasn't acceptable. I promise I did my absolute best to ensure my au pair got the reassurance that this was not acceptable for me and that my daughter understood she should not behave in this way.
They both left my office, my daughter apologised to my au pair, my au pair looking rather grumpy and visibly annoyed.
As soon as they left the room where I was working, I thought that my au 33 years old pair, with 10 years of experience in primary education, who gets remunerated accordingly, who enjoys plenty of flexibility with us, who doesn't lift a finger in the house, who we include and pay in all our plans, which I found not just in a random website, but in a proper agency who charged me £1,800 to source her, was not behaving reasonably. To be totally fair to her, I would be annoyed if a 4 years old hit me. I think she was right to bring the issue to my attention. But to do it in the aggressive way she did it, I don't think it was the standards I was expecting from her.
I took a deep breath and after an hour or so, I went to speak to my au pair, very calmly, on a one to one basis. I first told her I was sorry about my daughter's behaviour. But I also told her she was just 4... My au pair was, again, very agitated and did not let me speak. She reiterated that I should know that nobody has ever hit her, that this was rather rude and that she wasn't going to stay with us with a child hitting her. She reiterated the fact that the way she looks at her sometimes is defiant, which she doesn't like. I told her that, although I understood her frustration, I would have thought that for someone of her age and experience, she would address the issue in a more mature fashion. I told her that, as much I would like it, I could not guarantee that my 4 years old daughter would not hit her again. She replied saying that she would then need to think about it.
In that moment my children appear in scene and we finished the conversation.
In short, there is a part of me that understands my au pair. Yes, it is very annoying, that is for sure. I am grateful she brought the issue to my attention. But my daughter is a very caring, good nature little girl and she is very affectionate to my au pair. My daughter is very small and thin. When my au pair says "she hits me" it wasn't anything that could hurt her. This is not to justify my daughter's behaviour but to set the scene.
I think it is not very reasonable or in fact mature of a 33 years old woman of her level of experience to kick a fuss and give me an ultimatum. Firstly, I can't promise it will not happen again. Secondly, it is really not the way to address the issue. But crucially, is this not a symptom that for whatever reason she wants to find a way out of the family and she is just trying to find an excuse? She knows when I hired her that it was extremely important for us to commit to a year of service. In fact, she told me the same applied to her.
I feel very sad for my daughter. I feel as though my au pair may not like her that much after all.
Am I overreacting? Is my au pair being reasonable?

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FrogsLegs33 · 28/12/2018 17:54

Let the au pair go.

You don’t think it’s possible to prevent it and she won’t accept it.

No body has to be wrong in this situation it is just not going to work.

OhTheRoses · 28/12/2018 17:57

Clearly there's an issue between your dd and the au-pair. Your dd is your priority. 33 is far too old to be an au-pair

Have you chatted in a relaxed anx adhoc way with your dd, eg, at story time or bathtime very matter of factly about what lead up to it.

Au-pair needs to go imo

MyPoodleisWorthTenofYou · 28/12/2018 17:59

Why do you keep going on and on about her supposedly amazing salary?

It’s not that great. She sounds like she could earn nanny wage if she’s that qualified. Au pairs are generally much younger and have little to no qualifications at all.

You pay her more than the average for an au pair yes but far less than a nanny, yet are expecting the latter.

TheHodgeoftheHedge · 28/12/2018 18:02

I think it’s very clear that the relationship with your Aupair isn’t working so I would let her go.

Although by the by, it does make me laugh when posts like this repeatedly stress how well paid their au pairs are, when the reality is your only paying £8 and hour which is all of 17p above minimum wage. Not really that generous.

MyPoodleisWorthTenofYou · 28/12/2018 18:02

I’m pretty sure her wages fall below the tax threshold too so I don’t know what you mean about paying her taxes.

nannynick · 28/12/2018 18:02

If dd hits anyone then x happens.
You need to have a united front. Your aupair is coming to you instead of dealing with the issue as maybe you have not agreed on a particular consequence to the action.

Firm and decisive action, so dd knows it won't be tolerated.

colditz · 28/12/2018 18:04

You're sad for your daughter because your employee objects to being hit by her?

And you think that if the Au Pair liked your daughter more, she would accept being hit, or at least accept your refusal to act on your daughter hitting?

And you think your Au Pair committing to a year of service means her agreeing to stop making a fuss when your daughter hits her? And that refusing to accept that your daughter can hit her whenever means she is trying to wriggle out of this agreement?

Do you REALLY think your Au Pair is unreasonable to ask you to ensure she isn't hit any more?

Neolara · 28/12/2018 18:05

If my 4yo hit someone, I would bollock her very fiercely and send her to her room. Maybe the ay pair thought your response was a bit pathetic and as a result of not being explicit enough about how unacceptable the behaviour was, your dd has free reign to hit again. Nothing wrong with having firm boundaries about physical violence.

BrightStarrySky · 28/12/2018 18:06

I agree with the others, let her go. Something is off here and the last thing you want is the au pair having an issue with your daughter. She’s a four year old, not a robot for goodness sake!

MyPoodleisWorthTenofYou · 28/12/2018 18:07

I look after a four year old and he jolly well knows hitting is totally unacceptable. I don’t think that makes him a robot Confused

thesnapandfartisinfallible · 28/12/2018 18:09

You child is persistently misbehaving. She is old enough at 4 to be told not to do something and expected to listen. I don't think she is wrong to ask you to discipline your child. She is paid a reasonable wage, yes but paid to look after them, not discipline them. That's your job.

madmum5811 · 28/12/2018 18:13

Your au pair is not happy with the way you discipline your child. You are not happy, she is not happy. It would be best to find another au pair.

ineedtolovemyself · 28/12/2018 18:14

If I threatened to quit my job every time a child hit me I would never work!!
Yes hitting is unacceptable but your dc is young and is still learning what is right and what is wrong.
I do think you need to punish your daughter more (nip it in the bud now) but your au pair is definitely over reacting and if she has all this 'experience' then should know of ways to deal with it!

rabbitfoodadvocate · 28/12/2018 18:15

Agree with everyone else that this is not the au pair for you.

You won't discipline in a way to prevent her being hit and she won't put up with it. Simple.

Also, you are unbelievably arrogant to think you're paying her a phenomenal wage! Good grief. £200 a week?

TwistedStitch · 28/12/2018 18:16

I would part ways. A 4 year old hitting isn't acceptable but you are dealing with it as soon as you are aware. I'd be concerned about the 'looking at me defiantly' tbh. She's very little and the level of anger in addition to prescribing nasty motives to your daughter's facial expressions would leave me feeling the relationship had broken down and trust gone.

zebra · 28/12/2018 18:23

Four years olds behave inappropriately. Your au pair is majorly over reacting. Like you've suggested I think there's probably more to this.

llangennith · 28/12/2018 18:28

It does sound as though your au pair doesn't like your DD. Also as she is much older and has been a teacher she may be in bossy teacher mode all the time with your DD who actually needs looking after, not being told off all the time.
Get rid of the au pair and get a younger and more suitable person to care for your DC.

cstaff · 28/12/2018 18:29

She obviously doesn't want to work there for whatever reason. Your daughter doesn't seem to be happy with her so just let her go.

Polly99 · 28/12/2018 18:34

I’d let her go.

Either the au pair is not a good fit for your family and you need someone who can deal
appropriately with a 4 year old who hits, or , if hitting is out of character for your child, I’d be concerned that she is playing the au pair up because they are not really bonding for whatever reason.

Mongui · 28/12/2018 19:10

Thanks for all your messages. Btw, a £200 a week for an au pair is definitely a generous salary. The average is £120 a week. She is an au pair, not a nanny. She lives with us and everything is covered for: accommodation, food, bills etc. She is also treated as a member of the family, as it should be with an au pair. So on that front, I am confident that we are generous with our au pair and we do it because she deserves it and because we like her to feel appreciated.
My concern is that her reaction was probably indicative of what she really feels. I believe it was an odd reaction and my concern is whether there may be something behind the scenes I am not seeing. My daughter tells me she loves her. And I am so glad about it. She kisses her, she tells her all the time how much she loves her etc. It is precisely for that reason that her reaction took me totally by surprise, her anger when she repeatedly said that nobody has ever hit her and that she didn't like the way my daughter looks at her. I must say a chilling feeling run my body when she said that. It is difficult to explain. It was her face, her body language.
And by the way, of course I have disciplined my daughter, firmly.
I should say that the next day I felt my au pair was probably a bit embarrassed. She kept quiet and discrete and I decided to not raise the subject again, give her the benefit of the doubt and hope that this will not happen again.
But on the other hand, something, and I can't quite put the finger on what it is, was rather odd...
can I trust her?

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MyPoodleisWorthTenofYou · 28/12/2018 19:22

The average for an au pair is £120 a week because they’re usually very young and it’s a cultural/language opportunity for them prior to embarking on a job or career. At 33 and a qualified teacher I’m confused as to why she’s simply an au pair.

I personally don’t think she’s done much wrong unless there’s a huge backstory but you’re debating whether or not you trust someone you regularly put in charge of your children. Do you not think that’s a bit odd?

OhioOhioOhio · 28/12/2018 19:26

Yeah, her salary is not great. Especially if she is a qualified teacher but like the first poster said, nobody has to be wrong. It just wont work.

BrightStarrySky · 28/12/2018 19:35

I think it’s weird that the au pair kept mentioning the way the OP’s daughter looks at her. There is no way of being certain but that doesn’t seem like a normal thing to say or feel about a young child... The au pair also seems to be taking it all very personally.

Dollymixture22 · 28/12/2018 19:37

your Daughter does have to learn that hitting is unacceptable. When she is in school she cannot hit her classmates or teachers, and when she is at home she cannot got her family. However, I agree that a care giver should be able to discipline your daughter and handle this kind of behaviour. It is not that unusual for a child of this age - surley time on the naughty step or some similar demerit system would be appropriate.

I think there may be a reason this lady isn’t a teacher (if she ever was!).

Sarahandduck18 · 28/12/2018 19:47

33yo AP sounds very odd!