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Twogirlsonelabrador · 16/11/2018 14:55

Is it legal/ok/fine or not to leave a child in a buggy, completely unattended outside a school (obviously within the school grounds) to go in and collect 2 -3 other children from various classes...meaning the child in the buggy outside will be alone (i.e. not in anyones care but surrounded by passing parents) for 5-10 minutes? Would like to know the legal position on this before I think about raising a complaint.

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Twogirlsonelabrador · 01/12/2018 09:49

Wow. Unblieveable response to a simple question. What is my motivation for asking this or questionning it?? Not seeing a child being abducted mostly! Goodness me, why people have to become so personal and want to analyse my every thought after asking a simple question. I dont have any "issue" with the childminder, I dont know her. If I did know her I would probably just speak to her about it and the fact that I was concerned about her leaving kids outside for anyone to wander off with. I dont know her so I dont feel comfortable in doing this. Other parents have commented on it also, and I have spoken with the head teacher about it. Thanks for the people who replied on the question it did help me. You say I am trying to find cause for complaint? I really am not, but I ask you what would YOU do if you saw children being left alone and in a potential scenario where they could be abducted or simply wander off and have an accident? Nothing? Ignore it? Not want to cause any problem for a families childcare? Im pretty sure if it stopped my child being left in a dangerous position I wouldnt mind it being pulled up on. I HAVE tried to help find a solution and have spoken with the head but my original question was simply can a childminder let their children out of their sight/care and as it has been answered as 'no' I wont be commenting any further.

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itsaboojum · 01/12/2018 12:29

Everyone has been quite clear that the CM has broken a basic rule. Nobody is denying or trying to defend that. She absolutely must correct this, but there are better ways to achieve this than by a complaint from someone outside the situation. As has already been suggested, the best next step would be to tell the parents of the children concerned and let them make an informed decision on how to proceed.

But the idea of an increased risk of abduction is pure dramatic fantasy. The OP knows the children are being safeguarded by the caretaker who, in order to work there, will be a reliable and suitable person with all the necessary checks made. Yes, it’s still a breach of regulations, but it’s not a significant safeguarding risk in real life.

So it’s perfectly reasonable to question why the OP is so eager to report the CM, with whom she has absolutely no connection, for a breach of the rules whilst at the same time defending her own child's school which appears to exercise no control over who can access the entire school.

Moreover, she seems determined to pursue a complaint regardless of the possibility that it could result in leaving other families with a sudden and complete lack of childcare.

However, there really is no need for the OP to respond, as she has already answered the question of motivation, today on another thread, in which she admits, in her own words to being "a bit of a control freak". It is clear she has had one bad experience with one childminder, which is a real shame. She also has a vested interest as the erstwhile employee of a nursery company. She seems quite set upon putting others off using any childminder's services, and disrupting this particular CM's business, irrespective of the effect that might have on other families.

GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat · 01/12/2018 14:14

Excellent! Thanks itsboojum for joining the dots for me, I knew something was fishy! Of course 🤦‍♀️

Twogirlsonelabrador · 01/12/2018 14:58

literally going to say this then never come on here again. why I dont use social media. witch-hunts. The school has suggested that she leave the kids with the caretaker. she chooses not to do this. They are literally left alone. Lovely of you to stalk me on other threads. Just to clarify, my being a control freak in terms of looking after my children means that I will assess their danger and wellbeing. If you think thats over the top then so be it. Aslo, I didnt work for a "nursery company" it was a charity which has a nursery. I also saif on that thread it was horses for courses and the poster should go with her gut. Im sure there are amazing childminders out there. I also havent done anything bar speaking to the head teacher as I specifically DIDNT want to disrupt the childminders business! Which iI could have if I was the vindictive person you make me out to be! If only someone had mentioned it when they noticed the Mccanns were leaving their kids alone? Also its not just about abduction however unlikely that it, its about seeing the kids crying because they are on their own, being concerned that they could wander off (and if out of school onto main road). I feel sorry for people that have to make innocent posts or questions into a personal witch hunt. What a spiteful person to do that. So much for mums sticking together. Off to delete account I go. Thanks.

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itsaboojum · 02/12/2018 09:27

Gosh. Nobody is "stalking" you. I simply read your post on the other thread, because I was catching up on a thread that I had already posted on the day before you did. I don’t even know (or need to know) how to find people’s posting history. But your reasons for indiscriminate CM-bashing are pretty clear.

On it, you say "I did work for the same company that ran the nursery". I’d have thought the average literate adult would take that to mean you were an employee.

I see absolutely no connection between the situation you are in and that of the McCann family. Sadly, this isn’t the first time that particular tragedy has been dragged into a thread in a sick attempt to add emotive weight to somebody’s argument about their own personal minor fussy. I doubt it will be the last.

It’s pretty "spiteful" to be so determined to launch a complaint against another families' childminder. You had the answer to your question several times over, and suggestions of far less damaging ways in which you could contribute positively to the situation. Instead, you seem determined to pursue a course of action which could leave several families with no childcare, as well as wasting Ofsted’s resources. (I do hope people who rush to initiate expensive Ofsted investigations never complain about lack of public money available for more useful educational purposes.)

I agree this thread seems to have run its course, and am tired of arguing about arguing. Despite the good advice of all the of contributors here, nobody has been able to make you consider a more reasonable course of action. You’ve been determined to make that vindictive complaint from day one, and we’ve all been wasting our time thinking otherwise.

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