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Would you recommend being a CM and why

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onlyoranges · 14/06/2018 14:57

That’s it really. I have had to take a career break due to a series of unfortunate events. I do not want to return to what I did before and was thinking of CM. Would you say go for it or no! Run!

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HSMMaCM · 15/06/2018 09:18

I've been doing it for 20 years, so I suppose I'd say go for it.

I do sometimes remember being in my old job where I had more money, lunch breaks, paid holiday, no Ofsted inspections, a tidy house, etc.

So I suppose it depends why you're doing it. It's not easy and wrecks your house, but kids are funny little things and I don't mind paperwork.

YourHandInMyHand · 18/06/2018 15:43

Hmm tricky one. Grin I'm a cm and currently having a break for family reasons.

It has it's pros and cons like any job....

Pro: at home with own dc. Con: dc share home, toys, mum's attention.

Pro: no childcare fees. Con: Your own kids count in your ratios so less earnings.

Pro: Own boss. Con: Everything is on you. Everything.

Admin .... contracts, child record forms, accident forms, registers, risk assessments, accounts, invoicing, policies and procedures, learning and development file for each child, planning, daily diaries, 2 yr check for HV, GDPR and ICO complaint, responding to parents contacting you. If you get into a routine it's not too bad.

Other things to think about
Your house having a lot more wear and tear on it, usually by kids whose families may have a different level of respect for people's homes and belongings.

Parents knowingly sending sick kids in and then you having to close when it inevitably spreads to your or your dcs and losing your income for closure period.

Some kids like having mindees round to play at their house, some really struggle with it.

Managing challenging behaviour.

Parents trying to drop off early, pick up late, pay late or not at all. You need to be able to be firm but fair and keep to your policies. If you're a kind caring person not used to standing up for yourself this can be hard.

Childcare fees vary depending on area so your potential income can vary hugely depending on where you live. This is worth checking and then doing the sums of what you would earn IF you were full and BEFORE you take all your expenses off. Then take your expenses off and see your actual potential profit, in my area it's not a happy number!

Mymadworld · 18/06/2018 22:23

I earn a good living from childminding (take home £2.5k for a 4 day week but high fee area) and would recommend it however:
It takes a while to build your business
It takes a while to build cm friendships (don't be fooled into thinking mummy friends will still want to hang out with you all the time when you're working with 3 little ones and more after school)
Your home is never the same again
Paperwork is a complete pain (although I'm very slack and only on-going stuff I do is photos for parents, daily diaries & 2yr checks - no obs or planning so always panic before ofsted are due!)
Your own family often comes 2nd to minded children
It can be lonely & days are long

Don't be deterred if you think it's for you but do your homework first and go in with your eyes wide open!

PrincessScarlett · 19/06/2018 12:20

First and foremost you have to genuinely like children and enjoy being with them. I know it sounds obvious but it can be hard work so you need to be passionate about childminding to make up for any bad times.

darlenharlen · 29/07/2018 16:40

@mymadworld 2.5k a week? I’m lucky if I make £450

Mymadworld · 29/07/2018 16:46

@darlenharlen sorry £2.5k a month not week - I wish!!

Amicompletelyinsane · 29/07/2018 16:57

I was a childminder for just over a year. I have small children of my own and the parents of the kids seemed to want me to do everything for them. Maybe I should have been less " nice". I foung my eldest withdrew from me and hid in his room. I had after school kids his age but he hated it, I struggled with the admin on top of my kids and minded ones. I even had a good group of childminder friends. I just burnt out trying so hard to please everyone and constantly chase people to pay me

darlenharlen · 29/07/2018 17:28

@mymadworld oh haha silly me. I was thinking I need to move to where you are!
@amicompletelyinsane This is my reasons also, kids parents asking me to pick up shopping for them, chasing payments, changing hours with no notice and generally just taking the mick! I work 55 hours a week for sometimes £4 an hour when I only have one child here.

outofmymind26 · 29/07/2018 17:41

Agree with everything mentioned above. My biggest pressure is keeping all parents happy whether it be changing things last minute, waiting for payment, phoning them to tell them their child is unwell. That's probably my worst oh & giving holiday dates. I've read horror stories of unhappy parents complaining to Ofsted & I think it's always in the back of mind so I probably say YES too often! 🙈

Oh & my children always coming second.

Mymadworld · 29/07/2018 21:04

@outofmymind26 & @darlenharlen I have learnt over the years that certain things make life far far less stressful:

Always invoice in advance for set hours then if they want to reduce hours at the last minute it's a bonus not a pain!

If a parent wants to add hours or swop days don't do it if it is massively inconvenient or stressful ie learn to say no occasionally!

Send out a polite but firm request to everyone for timely payments. Blame it on new bank charges or a mortgage payment bouncing - anything that helps - but make it clear payment to to be cleared in your account by X date without exception otherwise daily late fees will be added. Clarify that it might mean money leaving their account or voucher payment being authorised 3-5 days earlier.

rebelrosie12 · 29/07/2018 21:11

I did it for a year with my own young children, didn't work for us. My child hated it and it got to the point where I felt it was cruel...however if child was older it would be a different experience. Also agree with pp that you need to be really firm with late charges etc. And follow through from day 1.

outofmymind26 · 29/07/2018 21:14

Thank you mymadworld I do really need to learn to say no more. You're so right about starting as you mean to go on. I'm meant to work for myself but it doesn't feel like it at all.

Pinkknickers · 07/08/2018 18:28

This is something I myself have been co wondering for a while. I currently work in IT so it would be a massive change for me but certainly one I think I would enjoy. Reading all your experiences however makes me wonder if it would be a Wise move after all! It sounds like it's the parents causing most of the stress rather than the kids? I have a childminder, she has my children before school (and occasionally after) and I always pay on time, sometimes early...it didn't occur to me that parents would pay late or not at all? That's disgraceful.

jannier · 07/08/2018 18:59

I work supporting cm;s and its always the parents that cause issues not the children the biggest thing is misunderstandings in contracts and not taking payment up front, not charging for late pick ups and being scared of loosing business. After that its Ofsted.
From the outside it looks like a great option always with your own etc. but your own family can suffer and children have to put up with being pushed off mummy's lap, mum busy when they need to talk sharing toys that can get broken, mum missing parents evening, plays, parties as children not picked up on time. They can also make great friends that last for years but it takes careful management and not allowing parents to over step the mark. I know cm's who have had to cancel their children's plans and outings because they didn't get paid.

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