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babies not settling with CM

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snowsuit · 24/11/2017 10:44

this is long, sorry. just want some opinions really. i have 12-month old twins who have bad separation anxiety and are very shy around new people. i am going back to work and have had trouble finding a childminder who has space for twins. i was feeling desperate but at the last minute i found someone who had just started as a childminder (she used to do after school care) and she had lots of availability. she seemed lovely so we decided to use her and started settling in.

i knew that my twins would not settle easily as they cry when i leave the room even at home. i feel like i have some experience of settling them in as they hadn't really spent time with my parents until a few months ago and were initially wary of them, but we gradually worked on making them feel comfortable and now they are fine. the person they settled best with was my sweet 90-year-old grandmother who basically ignored them until they approached her, and then followed their cues re interacting.

anyway at the weekend the childminder texted me to say that 'it isn't going to work out' as they are not settling with her. they have been with her for 4 one-hour sessions. i feel terrible about this but i also feel like we are asking a lot of them. i also question her 'settling in' methods a bit. she asked me on the first day we came to bring their buggy as she wanted to take them for a walk. i assumed she would walk them around a bit then take them back to her house for a play but she ended up walking them all they way bcak to our house, so they were in the buggy for the whole hour. the next visit she texted me asking if they had shoes as she wanted to take them to the park, i replied saying that they don't as they aren't walking yet, and she replied asking if i minded them crawling around the park? i said i didn't mind in theory but i thought that in practice it would be a nightmare because they tend to crawl off in different directions and still put everything in their mouth. so i dropped them off to her at the park and of course they screamed when i left and apparently kept screaming for the next hour.

i called her to talk about it and she said that she doesn't want to have them any more as their distress is distressing to her. i just feel bad about it all, firstly for them being upset, then for the fact that they'll now have to go through being upset all over agian with someone new (because i have to find someone). i also feel like i haven't really been listened to re settling in as i discussed with her what i thought would help them to settle and that wasn't done. i feel like the first step is to get them comfortable with her, and with being alone with her in the house, rather than walking them around all the time. i told her after the first two sessions that they don't particularly like being in the buggy but she said 'they won;t just be sitting there, i'll be singing to them and talking to them'. i also didn't realise that she doesn't have anywhere at her house for them to sleep, or any high chairs. when i questioned this she said she'll walk them around in the buggy for their naps. anyway to cut a long story short i don't know if i should ask her if we can persevere with settling them (she does seem lovely and caring) or if all this just seems a bit off.

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jaimelannistersgoldenhand · 24/11/2017 10:50

She doesn't sound very prepared or keen so I wouldn't ask her to persevere.

BeautifulWintersMorning · 24/11/2017 10:55

Nowhere for them to sleep at 12 months? You need to find something else as she doesn't want to persevere. Sounds like she's made up her mind

AlbusPercival · 24/11/2017 11:08

I'm afraid she sounds terrible.

I've just had to pull my one year old out of nursery for similar reasons but has settled really well with cm

Alicekeach · 24/11/2017 11:23

COuld you stretch to a nanny? This is what we’ve done for our twins. It means that although they have to get used to being with someone new, they are at least in their home surroundings. I was pleasantly surprised at how well the cost of a nanny compared to two nursery places (didn’t look for a childminder).

snowsuit · 24/11/2017 11:39

Yes I think she just isn’t into it, these responses have confirmed what I was thinking. She’s offered to keep taking them for an hour for the next 2 weeks but I can’t see the point really. Alicekeach, we are looking into nannies now- I agree the cost is surprisingly reasonable, esp compared to the eye-watering cost of a nursery, and I really hope that being at home will make it easier for the babies - the only prob is that I also work from home so I think I would need to just lock myself in the office for the day as I think having me popping in and out would make it harder for them to get used to the nanny.

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ineedwine99 · 24/11/2017 11:47

Can you do nursery or are you not keen? My baby didn't have separation anxiety but had the odd occasion of being clingy, a few minutes in the nursery room and she was distracted enough by the colourful pictures/decorations and toys that she didn't notice us.
Her key worker is always there to cuddle her if she gets a bit upset or cuddly when tired so i know she gets affection, plus they have a variety of things for babies to sleep in to suit all babies (cots/swing chairs/pushchairs/floor mats etc)

HSMMaCM · 24/11/2017 12:53

Babies at this age often have separation anxiety. She just doesn't have experience with it and also doesn't seem to be set up for children of this age. I would keep them at home until they settled and got used to me. I would also do more than an hour at a time, as they have no chance to settle in such a short time.

You need a more experienced childminder, or a nanny or nursery if you'd prefer that.

I have 2 unrelated 8 month old babies and they were happy and settled within a week. It is a slightly easier age though.

snowsuit · 24/11/2017 13:38

ineedwine, i don't have a problem with nursery but it would be more than i earn for the two of them :(

HSMM, yes i think it's an experience issue. i think their separation anxiety is worse than average (prob because they are twins and have to loudly demand attention rather than having it showered on them) but she has told me several times how her daughters never had any separation anxiety and (probably without meaning to) she is making me feel like it's my fault.

they really need a good 2 hour nap in the middle of the day and i've spent a lot of time gently teaching them to go to sleep in their cot so the fact that she doesn't have anywhere in the house for them to sleep is the dealbreaker i think.

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Evelynismyspyname · 24/11/2017 13:43

Find a different childminder or a nanny.

I wonder how she's OFSTED registered if she doesn't have anywhere for them to sleep - OFSTED check that.

Namechanger124 · 24/11/2017 13:50

In regards to the sleeping thing.... a lot of childminders use buggies for children to sleep in... often a space thing so I wouldn't put too much emphasis on it, especially when you are pushed for someone who has space for 2 babies and is a good cm.
I definitely wouldn't go back to her though, I'd say she is just inexperienced and can't be bothered with the hassle. Look for someone new. There are loads of amazing childminders around

Evelynismyspyname · 24/11/2017 15:40

I used to child mind. Not twins but 3 under 18 months when I started (the youngest being my own 11 month old, then a 12 month old and a 16 month old). I had travel cots for the two minded children and thought that was a requirement. They slept in my triple buggy occasionally if they'd all fallen asleep in it on a walk and it was a nice day and I sat outside with them, but really it's not ideal to nap in a buggy regularly.

PrincessScarlett · 25/11/2017 22:14

Not having somewhere for babies to sleep would not stop her getting registered. At a registration visit Ofsted don't expect a childminder to be kitted out with everything as they appreciate it is expensive starting out and would have no idea what age children you might have. You are however expected to say if you have a baby to look after you will then invest/source the required equipment such as travel cot and high chair.

In OP's situation it does not seem that the childminder wants to care for the twins so definitely look for something else.

jannier · 26/11/2017 13:35

Have you stayed and played at her house a few times? I have about 3 visits with parents staying first the an hour or 2 then going over a feed before a feed and nap. No way would I be going out if baby is only there an hour that would wait until they were up to a 4 hour session.
I would look for someone with more experience. Possibly one with assistants or co minders. Settling two at once will be harder as their fears will fuel each other.

ChameNangerRanger · 27/11/2017 20:06

Not got much helpful advice but just wanted to sympathise as I had a bad experience in the past with a cm for my eldest. She had only just started. Took a massive summer retainer then after a couple of weeks gave notice because it was 'too tiring'.

I think sometimes new cm can be great because they're enthusiastic and freshly trained etc but other times maybe people aren't prepared for the reality.

In your situation it's leaving you in a very awkward position but I would not have confidence in her ability to manage, and you don't want to feel you're having to persuade someone to have your children.

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