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What happens if you haven't done the icp/first aid in time?

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Raggydoll · 12/02/2007 13:01

I was regsitered in August and I'm just starting the ICP now. I should have the test end of feb/beginning mar. My first aid should have been saturday but was cancelled and will now be 22/2 and 22/3. The reason I didn't do the icp sooner was because I missed the college registration in september and then college pulled the course from the january start - i have managed to find a training company that are letting me do it via distance learning and I should get the pack next week.

I have just had my first mindee start this week - will ofsted stop me minding??

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babydales · 12/02/2007 13:07

When Ofsted registered you did they give you a time limit to get the ICP and the First Aid done?

StrawberrySnowflakes · 12/02/2007 13:09

i didnt think you could become reg if you hant done course??

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Raggydoll · 12/02/2007 13:10

6mths - which is end of feb!

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Raggydoll · 12/02/2007 13:13

ss you can here - but then you have to complete the courses within a timeframe. They then do a follow up inspection, however they won't do the follow up inspection until you advise them that you are activly minding.

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babydales · 12/02/2007 13:18

I would phone ofsted and ask for advise. They could well stop you minding or may not if you can prove you are activley doing something about both the courses.Each ofsted area seems to follow different rules.

doormat · 12/02/2007 13:20

I went for one the other week and they said it had to be completed within 12 weeks
this is with optima btw

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Raggydoll · 12/02/2007 13:23

thanks - i've left a message with my development officer for a call back - hopefully she can give me some advice.

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mogs0 · 12/02/2007 14:34

When I started the registration process I was in an area that made you do the courses after registration (to make sure you were sure about childminding and the money spent on courses wasn't wasted!). Mid-way through the registration I moved and my new home was under a different council (only moved 1 mile away) and their rules were that courses had to be done before registration. I caused mass confusion!! I got my cm certificate in March and am still waiting to be put on a first aid course. I was booked on a course last Summer that got cancelled the day before it was due to start. I was so cross, had arranged for family to come 140 miles to look after my ds for the 2 days so I could go and do it!!

I had an inspection in September and ofsted lady said that I needed to do it before next inspection (in 3yrs? time).

I have also spoken to someone that had waited at least a year to be put on a course and stopped childminding before they found a space for her on a course!

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Raggydoll · 13/02/2007 22:01

wow mogs thats terrible - v.similar to mys circs, its like rules are imposed - fine - but then its near impossible to actually meet the requirements. For the icp course the nearest college is about 60 miles away and they 'may' be running the course in september - 7mths after the date i need to complete it by.

i did s/w my development officer today and she also advised me to contact ofsted - i plan to give them a call tomorrow.

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nannynick · 13/02/2007 23:05

Skerratt v Ofsted is a case worth reading.

Looks to me as though Ofsted would note it on an inspection as an ACTION, then follow up on that later to confirm that training had been done.

Standard 1.5 contains the word "should", not 'must' - so while you "should" have training within 6 months of registering... they don't say you 'must' meet that requirement.

I don't think Ofsted will stop you minding, but will pick up on the lack of training at an inspection visit. Therefore best to get the training done as soon as you can (which you are doing) and may be wise to document in your files somewhere the reasons for the delay - so that at next inspection should the inspector raise the issue, you can tell them why you did not manage to complete training within 6 months.

Just my view of course. I am not a lawyer so know very little about legal things.

ladyoflincoln · 13/02/2007 23:14

i am a cm in lincolnshire, my friend who is also a cm has just had her first inspection (she has been minding around 6 months) and she had not completed her icp yet.

she scored 'good' in most areas, but 'satisfactory' for organisation - this was due to not having completed the icp course within the specified 6 months.

tbh, she was a bit upset about not getting a 'good' grading for all areas - but it is not exactly the end of the world..

hth

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