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Minimum £72k salary required to allow me to take home same as my 19 year old nanny

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knakered · 10/02/2007 10:02

Nanny nick has done the "big sums"...so we need to earn £72k to to take home the same as my nanny - lets not get into disposable income...4 kids/mortgage etc...vs living at homewith parents ..ho ..hum..

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Cloudhopper · 14/02/2007 12:43

One thing I would say to you lucky people with a 90k mortgage on a nice sized house is imagine you didn't have it and had to contemplate paying that sort of mortgage for what you have got.

I think getting into someone's head who is in that situation would help to understand some of the moans of people on here who talk about emigrating and moaning about childcare and housing costs.

I'm really happy for people who have got a small mortgage on a big house. That's how it should be. The poor sods who have only that prospect are probably the ones moaning.

CountessDracula · 14/02/2007 13:17

well i could quite happily afford a mansion with no mortgage in scotland then
But what would I do?

180 miles a day naily??? That is terrible quality of life

I take it you live in luxury then!

expatinscotland · 14/02/2007 13:21

Yes, and the more people coming up, the higher the prices go and the greater the squeeze as wages fail to keep pace.

Much better to campaign for a government that is going to look at this, a UK wide issue, than just suggest everyone move some place where a) there aren't a lot of jobs and so you have to commute b) wages are low, low, low.

nailpolish · 14/02/2007 13:29

no i dont live in luxury! tsk

i want to move back to Ed

jura · 14/02/2007 13:41

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Cloudhopper · 14/02/2007 13:59

I am actually in area 3. I have given the places we need to move to to make the commute for us both a viable long term option.

Raynes park is a bit pricier, but WP and Sutton are similar.

Bozza · 14/02/2007 14:13

but cloudhopper I do realise I am lucky in the housing aspect of things, and I said that when I posted. I stated that we were lucky that we made the right decision when I was pg with DS. But it is balanced by the fact that we can't really afford to move, and there are limited job opportunites which means that I have to commute 23 miles each way and DH's is further and I don't really like this job/have any prospects etc. But if affords me a nice standard of living on the four days I don't work. That is my dilemma. Part of the problem workwise is lack of it - hence my extensive mumsnet habit. Anyway must get off here and get my online shopping order submitted....

eleusis · 14/02/2007 15:07

Oh sh1t. Online shopping. I knew I forgot to do something this week.

Bozza · 14/02/2007 15:09
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BuffysMum · 14/02/2007 15:12

wasn't around but the point I was maiking about huge mortgages is that usually people mortage themselves to the max but often they get a property bigger/nicer/better than they "could make do with" - sorry we have 4 dc in a very small 3 bed terrace with tiny rear garden. Not that we could actually get a bigger mortgage on just dp salary but we partly choose to stay here becuase we do not want to increase or mortgage just to get a more suitable property. BTW I live next to Weybridge the 3rd most expensive to live in the country (according to recent poll) so yes we have to live in a shit house, in a shit area - that is choice! Yes when we bought 5 years ago it was cheaper to buy then rent - that actually isn't true here since the house prices rose (again). Yes we would have a £300k mortgage to have a 4 bed house therefore we don't have a 4 bed house we just live like sardines!

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MrsSpoon · 14/02/2007 17:01

My favourite house around the £300k mark in our area is here . Commuting distance to Edinburgh.

bobsmum · 14/02/2007 17:02
Aloha · 14/02/2007 17:29

Mrs Spoon - blimey that's a stately home!

MrsSpoon · 14/02/2007 17:37

Gorgeous isn't it? IMO cheaply redeveloped, I would still want to do some work to it, I don't think the bathroom or kitchen are in keeping at all. I also think it will go for quite a bit more than it's asking price.

MrsSpoon · 14/02/2007 17:37

'tis very cheap, even for these parts.

Cloudhopper · 14/02/2007 17:40

Don't get me wrong Bozza - I'm not trying to get at you. Nor anyone who has managed to avoid the housing nightmare that we have got ourselves into recently.

I'm just trying to illustrate that those who weren't as lucky as to have bought a house 5 years ago are now facing huge overheads. These people do exist.

So a salary of 100k sounds like a mind-boggling amount of money - but if you didn't buy a house and you haven't secured cheap childcare it probably does cover basic costs.

Think about the logic of someone earning 100k and living in the houses I posted earlier, and still not having an awful lot beyond 'basic costs'. It sounds crazy, but it isn't.

grandads · 14/02/2007 18:48

very observant bobsmum!

Upsadaisy · 14/02/2007 18:56

Hey, I put......in my sentences, granted more than 3 but still nooooooooo!! no clubbing people who do dots with Lavendarr that would just be an insult.

knakered · 14/02/2007 19:03

Fio Fio..popping in here to push back on some inaccurate comments I will say it again _ I have never critised my nanny I will say it again - I think she is worth every penny...I have never "slagged her off"..I am not jealous of her - I do not resent her her salary -

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BuffysMum · 14/02/2007 19:08

Part of the awful reality of areas of expensive housing is that you really do need to buy a house etc before having children. I am so very grateful I bought 5 years ago when I was pregnant with dd2 otherwise I could not have gone on to have another 2. Really if the government sorted out the housing cost problems then a lot of the other financial would not be the same IMO!

sunnyjim · 15/02/2007 23:01

someone (can't remeber who) posted about 'people mortgaged themselves to the max' and implied that they were being greedy and tkaing on more than they could afford.

I think thats another dammed myth. Of course there will be the odd person who has a huge mortgage and lives in a house with spare rooms, but I think the majoirty of people are just trying to get a half way decent house nr half way decent services and commutable to a half way decent job!

Around here if you bought 5 years ago you would have got a 3 bed house with small garden/yard in a GOOD neighbourhood, nr GOOD schools for about £50k. Now its triple that at £150k

Okay you can find the odd two bed house for about £120k but I have a hell of alot of sympathy for anyone who is trying to buy now and who is planning on more than one child - what should they do? stay in their 'budget' and only take on the £120k mortgage (still a pretty huge hunk of cash) or 'stretch themselves to the max' and go for the 3 bed because houses wont' get any cheaper and if they want a 2nd or 3rd kid they want 3 bedrooms. Remember salaries never go up in line wiht house prices so they could be faced with the additional expense and hassle of moving again if they want a bigger house in 2/3 years.

We're 'lucky' cos we got in halfway through the boom!

Its very easy to throw insults at people who you think are living in 'posh' houses or areas, and moaning about the costs. but the restrictions on work are very real. We'd love to move but until I have finished my training its just not viable, DH trained 'on the job' and so doesn't have the kind of paper qualifications that would enable him to get work elsewhere. Also we can both walk/bike to work here and the chances of that happening for similar salaries elsewhere is pretty slim.

I'd love to see more people moving 'up north' but the jobs are scarcer, I've changed job sectors precisisly because the job I was in was losing alot of the regional focus and most jobs were in London, manchester etc.

re Nanny costs: if you have 2 kids or more at preschool age, or if you have no fmaily back up and a sickly kid a nanny certianly can be the most cost effective option. we've had a nanny for DS cos he gets ill so often - nursery used to send him home and I lost a job over it. that lost job 'cost' me £2,000. A nanny enabled us to give him better one-one care which he needed when poorly whilst still letting me work (which for our fmaily is very important) and because she was doing the exact hours i needed rather than the nursery which had to be paid for a full 7am-6pm day even if he went 8am-2pm she worked out more cost effective after the first month.

expatinscotland · 15/02/2007 23:04

Yeah, that's right up there w/assuming that all people with debt have it because they spend frivolously on luxuries.

When in fact a huge percentage of them carry debt because it costs so much just to get by here.

HabsGirl · 15/02/2007 23:26

Can we do some basic maths here, please?

Say nanny earns £80 net per day. Times 5 = £400 net per week. Add on the tax, and you're looking at about £540 per week, or £28,080 per annum.

To pay nanny £28,080, we need to earn (before tax) £37,110.

So where does £72k come from?

Oh, I know...

(1) cost of taking her on holiday - £5k pa
(2) phone calls to Australia - £20pw = £1k pa
(3) paying her babysitting, and the cost of the theatre tickets we buy when she's babysitting - £10kpa
(4) the abortion after DH gets drunk one night - £4k
(5) the cleaner to tidy the mess that nanny leaves each night - £6k
(6) my lost earning time spent posting on mumsnet - £3k
(7) upgrading to broadband to use mumsnet - £1k
(8) replacing the makeup and clothes that mysteriously go missing when nanny is around - £5k

There we go. £72k easy.

BuffysMum · 15/02/2007 23:28

Part of what I'm saying is that perhaps we should go ahead and have children when in reality we just can't afford them because we can't afford a big enough home or because the cost of childcare is prohibitive to returning to work to afford the cost of the home you need in the first place. I am very grateful we were able to buy when did, escpecially as we already had children. Had we only bought a 2 bedroomed house then (much nicer than where we are now), I guess we wouldn't now have 4 dc.

Still think it all goes back to the government massively contributing to keeping the house prices and rental prices artificially high. Does anyone actually know what we can do about that???????

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